Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:12:22 +0200
From: Timo Schoeler <timo.schoeler@...cworks.net>
To: Paul Hem <paulhem@...lhem.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure @ lists. grok. org. uk"
	<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Hackers uniting against Iran?

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:22:34 -0400
Paul Hem <paulhem@...lhem.com> wrote:

> On 4/6/07 12:16 PM, "Timo Schoeler" <timo.schoeler@...ce-dsl.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:11:38 +0100
> > "James Rankin" <kz20fl@...glemail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I seem to remember Britain being in WWII almost from the start,
> >> well before the Russians got dragged in by Adolf
> >> 
> >> Still I was only young at the time, I could be mistaken
> > 
> > the trigger was 'the US', which was in context 'the western allies';
> > while Stalin saw Hitler faking very early, the US (i.e., the Bank of
> > America -- with one of George W. Bush's grandfathers in the board of
> > directors) was still cooperating with Nazi Germany.
> > 
> > it's all in history books...
> 
> 
> Timo, you're full of shit.

sez an american. oh, well...

> > > The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June
> > > 6th,
> > > 1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two
> > > thirds of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost
> > > the war.
> 
> Here's what wikipedia has on this.

as someone's mentioned before, 'the winner makes the history'. remember
1984.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch
> 
> " Operation Torch (initially called Operation Gymnast) was the
> British-American invasion of French North Africa in World War II
> during the North African Campaign, started November 8, 1942."
> 
> "The Soviet Union had pressed the United States and Britain to start
> operations in Europe,

yes, and here you see that the US was fucking uninterested in saving
millions of people's (jews) lifes.

thanks for that point!

> and open a second front to reduce the pressure
> of German forces on the Russian troops. While the American commanders
> favored Operation Sledgehammer, landing in Occupied Europe as soon as
> possible, the British commanders believed that such a course would
> end in disaster. An attack on French North Africa was proposed
> instead, which would clear the Axis from North Africa, improve naval
> control of the Mediterranean and prepare an invasion of Southern
> Europe in 1943. American President Roosevelt suspected the African
> operation would rule out an invasion of Europe in 1943 but agreed to
> support Churchill."
> 
> The battle of Stalingrad  which was the turning point on the Eastern
> Front went from August 21, 1942 through February 2, 1943.

:)

> For you to hint that the battle of Europe was "already won" by the
> Russians is bullshit!

no, it is not. look at the facts.

> Back to my point.
> 
> The U.S. Wanted nothing to do with any European wars - we were
> dragged into them.

while you were accepting millions of peoples death (see above) and AT
THE SAME TIME doing business (!) with Nazi Germany!

> Now, we're hearing a lot of crap from people like
> Timo, who know nothing about history, trying to tell us we aren't
> handleing things the way you would like.

it's always nice to see US suckers freak out because they did not win
any war yet.

> Tough shit! You sprung us out of our borders because of your
> inability to handle your own problems, and 60 years later you hand us
> a load of shit while at the same time you can't defend your own sea
> lanes of trade from Iran, et al. Grow up!

defend what from Iran? is it a threat? NO!

US makes it a thread as it raises the need to be prepared for US
invasion. it's the same in South America, btw.

i'm so satisfied that this bubble (the US) is going to burst really
soon.

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