Message-ID: <13786664.103111181422558442.JavaMail.juha-matti.laurio@netti.fi>
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:55:58 +0300 (EEST)
From: Juha-Matti Laurio <juha-matti.laurio@...ti.fi>
To: jericho@...rition.org, larry@...ryseltzer.com, rlogin@...h.ai
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: You shady bastards.

A very good point.
The subject line doesn't always show anything related to personal e-mail message and does the person monitoring messages know what is related to his/hers work?

I see adding the word PRIVATE as a part of subject line a good practice.

It's not so easy to accidentally post these e-mails to mailing lists etc.
Related to Maynor's case: If you are reading the e-mail account of former employer and you click a link included to message with marked as private you really cross the line.

HDM made a good decision when using a file name maynor.tar.gz.

If you are testing issues like this use very rare file names and it is worth of testing Return Receipt too. And use a complicated directory structure (not easy to guess) when generating the test files like maynor.tar.gz.

- Juha-Matti

rlogin@...h.ai wrote: 
> The key is *personal* e-mail.  It's not unreasonable for any 
> company to assume their e-mail systems are used primarily for 
> business purposes. The e-mail doesn't indicate it's personal. It 
> doesn't say, "Your Ghonorrhea test results have come back!  Click 
> here for the results."  The e-mail has no contents other than a 
> link and doesn't indicate that the "Zero Day" promise was made 
> after this employee left the company. In fact, the subject "Zero 
> Day" is directly related to SecureWork's business and it's entirely 
> reasonable to expect a security company to investigate the 
> contents. I'm actually surprised someone actually monitors these 
> accounts and took the time to look into it!
> 
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:28:26 -0400 security curmudgeon 
> <jericho@...rition.org> wrote:
> >: >>A more ethical company would have sent HDM a polite note 
> >saying that
> >: the person no longer works there before curiosity got the best 
> >of them. 
> >: 
> >: Does your company do this for all former employee e-mail 
> >accounts?
> >
> >No. But they also don't continue to accept mail to those accounts 
> >either.
> >
> >: Let's hope he unsubscribed from all his mailing lists before he 
> >left.
> >
> >If a company is going to continue monitoring a former employee's 
> >mailbox 
> >(intentionally or via a 'catch all'), that is fine. But when they 
> >specifically act on a personal private mail between someone 
> >outside of 
> >their company and the former employee, they are crossing the line 
> >of 
> >ethical behavior I think. As I said, the least they should have 
> >done is 
> >mail HDM and notified him the person no longer works there. If 
> >they didn't 
> >do that, and if you think they shouldn't be required to, then they 
> >
> >shouldn't act on the information in the mail either.
> >
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