Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:38:02 -0400
From: kefka <kefka@...inbeardsucks.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: most powerful supercomputer, etc.

As far as soldiers are concerned, at least their are some people in this 
world that realize certain things are worth more than their pathetic 
lives.  Star researcher at IBM or not, doesn't matter, your life is 
pathetic and lacking real meaning.  So, regardless, "terrorist" or 
run-of-the-mill soldier, respect is earned (from me) for putting your 
life on the line for some "higher" cause.  I'm sure, hundreds of years 
from now, the "war on terror" will be looked back upon as a religious 
war, not a war of morality, vengeance (from either side), etc..  But all 
of that is moot, when amongst all your talk about a conspiracy, none of 
these people are going *do* anything.  They want to rally *other people* 
to do it, which pretty much makes them just as cowardly as American 
politicians and the USA's president.

Myself, I'm an anarchist, always have been, always will be.  Now, I 
don't think that kind of lack of government is going to work with the 
massive over population of the planet nor do I think most people would 
want that kind of responsibility.  So, what do I do?  Focus on other 
things; computers, cars, girls, what ever..  Anyway, my point is, put up 
or shut up.  Either start a real resistance that's going to take some 
kind of fucking action or stop your bitching.  Yeah, yeah, passive 
works, Ghandi, yeah, yeah, fuck that.  It doesn't work.  In rare 
occasions under special circumstances passive activity like "awareness", 
etc.. might, maybe, just possibly work, but chances are slim.  So, 
either; gather your balls together, forget your "reputation", forget 
your family, forget you social/work/private/second life and go fight for 
your cause and try to make a real difference *or *move-the-fuck on.  
Because that's what soldiers have that you lack, and that's the ability 
to realize whatever cause is more important than they are.  Putting 
X-cause before everything else.  And that's why I respect them and, in 
my opinion, you should too.

That's how you respect your enemy, realize that they are not "evil" and 
simply believe in a totally different cause.

Now, can we please fucking discuss the storm worm and/or the "world's 
most powerful supercomputer"?  Take your political agendas to another 
media, even you, soldier boy.

Actually, does anyone have a copy of the storm worm?  Please 
zip/tar/rar/something it and password protect it, with the password 
'infected' and send it to me.
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Timo Schoeler wrote:
> thus Throwaway1@...umbus.rr.com spake:
>   
>> Net-Dev's current alias wrote:
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> "just like the u.s intelligence 
>> services allowed a foreign government
>> or terrorist group such as al queda 
>> to do 9/11 as a proof of concept
>> to show the american people that a 
>> "war on terror" was necessary."
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> And FDR allowed the Japs to bomb Pearly Harbor, and Lincoln allowed the
>> attack on Ft Sumter.
>> Hell... Even Leonidas allowed Xerxes to encircle him to help create a
>> legend. 
>> Normally, I would feel obligated to point out that you're an idiot, but
>> your reputation is already well established and that won't be necessary.
>>     
>
> No, you are wrong; why does the U.S. government NOT disclose legal 
> evidence that 'it was not an inside job'?
>
> (...)
>
>   
>> Timo Schoeler wrote:
>> --------------------
>>
>> maybe some time you realize 
>> that there are only about 500 
>> idiots world-wide that make people 
>> (i.e. blatant idiots like soldiers) 
>> fight against each other?
>>
>> soldiers are murderers... period. 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>     
>
> Too bad I missed it in the first place, to combined reply qua this email:
>
>   
>> 1) Given your last statement, you should probably consider yourself lucky
>> that you aren't in the geographical vicinity of THIS former soldier.
>>     
>
> Huh? Totally regardless of the time one lives in, soldiers are 
> murderers. Do you have any argumentation against this, i.e. proof that 
> soldiers do NOT kill other people on behalf of some other idiot that 
> gives order to do so?
>
>   
>> 2) People who are prone to silly conspiracy theories should perhaps be a
>> bit less sanguine about calling OTHER people idiots.
>>     
>
> See above; proof that 9/11 was NOT an inside job and you did much more 
> on this topic than the U.S. government; until you can do so, you could 
> provide health care to those wounded (firefighters, policemen etc) there 
> -- the U.S. government did NOT (they had to travel to Cuba to get help).
>
>   
>> 3) Your ability to sleep peacefully in your bed at night, then wake up and
>> insult your betters; was granted to you BY a soldier.
>>     
>
> Wrong. The neccessity that the RED ARMY had to fight Nazis was risen by 
> SOLDIERS (German Nazis). Did you miss logics AND history in school? 
> (Seems so, otherwise YOU would KNOW that the U.S. entered the war on the 
> European Continent much too late to have an enemy to fight; it was 
> already superweak, thanks to the Russians.)
>
>   
>> In your case, you are
>> NOT welcome.
>>     
>
> Go F*** yourself, kid. Or even better, try to get decent health care and 
> education -- almost impossible in the U.S. It takes only five lines of 
> the 'Star-spangled banner' to see what it's all about in the U.S.:
>
> O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
> What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
> Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight
> O’er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
> And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> "Whatever war can do, peace can do better."
> (Desmond Mpilo Tutu)
>
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