Message-ID: <46F40ADA.3070708@snosoft.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:18:02 -0400
From: Simon Smith <simon@...soft.com>
To: "M. Shirk" <shirkdog_list@...mail.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
Subject: Re: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try
 medical research...

Just like technology research (hacking)... but... if you are the one
that finds a cure, you'll make your buck too.

M. Shirk wrote:
> There is more money to be made in the treatment of a disease, then
> actually finding a cure.
> 
> Remind you of anything?
> 
> Shirkdog
> ' or 1=1--
> http://www.shirkdog.us
> 
>> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:37:20 -0700
>> From: kristian.hermansen@...il.com
>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>> Subject: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
>>
>> Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week
>> and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so
>> you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application,
>> service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend
>> our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular
>> diseases instead? For instance, my brother (Jon Hermansen) has a very
>> rare disease called Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis. It is also better
>> known as LCH. It can be identified as causing such further diseases
>> as Diabetes Insipidus, which is also uncommon (not sugar diabetes).
>> Have you heard of these diseases before? Let me educate you…
>>
>> General Information:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langerhans_cell_histiocytosis
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus
>>
>> Seven Part Video Series:
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkBRqZS8nfM
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=w1h6ZjxF-To
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ojbJpERlt8
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqdYofMCQ
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=lNhzwNYhi0M
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=nY9DDEhShcE
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_8SEYyEZGI
>>
>> And even worse than this, a friend of mine who is a PhD student in
>> Math at Berkeley has an even rarer disease known as Gaucher's Disease.
>> This costs $550,000 / year to treat. That's a hefty bill every year
>> (you make that much doing security vulns?), and some insurance
>> companies might refuse to accept you due to "pre-existing" conditions.
>> So guess what, my friend does not have health insurance and has not
>> been treated for two years. A genius might die. That's ludicrous.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucher's_disease
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nX6QM5iVaU
>>
>> If we consider ourselves decent "hackers", why don't we put our
>> efforts toward helping cure this and other diseases rather than some
>> very simple programming vulnerability? Is it because then we would
>> have to reinvent a whole new slew of tools and re-orient/re-educate
>> ourselves to be successful? Think about it…
>> --
>> Kristian Erik Hermansen
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