Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:18:36 -0400
From: scott <redhowlingwolves@...lsouth.net>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame
 --	trymedical research...

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I just want to know how this thread got linked with [Dailydave].If
[Dailydave] wouldn't accept it,why accept it here?He cut this off at
the start.

Cheers,



gjgowey@....blackberry.net wrote:
> Try cyanide. Faster, better, cheaper, and long lasting.
>
> Geoff
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joel R. Helgeson" <joel@...geson.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:29:51
> To:"'M. Shirk'" <shirkdog_list@...mail.com>
> Cc:full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try
> medical research...
>
>
> Actually; If you find the cure, you can make a buck -- ONLY IF YOU CAN
> PATENT IT!
> People are not interested in researching diseases that are not
profitable...
> for those patients, treating the symptoms is more profitable. You, the
> patient, or the family member must become the doctor.
>
> Fortunately, I have possibly your answer, and if not, at least a direction
> to take.
> Go to www.vitaganza.com and purchase WOBENZYM
>
> It is THE BEST NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENT in existence, don't even bother with
> substitutes. This is an enzyme supplement that has 5 top-tier enzymes that
> when ingested, they proceed to break down longer protein chains and turn
> them into enzymes. This ultimately creates a cascading effect of creating
> over 2000 separate enzymes that then go through your body and fix
damage, so
> back pain, muscle pain, knots in your back, surgery... this helps fix ALL
> DAMAGE in your body (Damage that is possible to repair). Every cell in your
> body, every nerve fiber, everything requires enzymes to function. The
> Cartilage in your body is the largest avascular, aneural and alymphatic
> tissue in your body. It is kept alive by being bathed in enzymes (anyhow, I
> digress).
>
> Kristian, I have hacked problems like this before, Wobenzym will help both
> your brother and your friend. It may not be the silver bullet but it will
> definitely help, no question about that.
>
> Gaucher's Disease:
> Enzyme Replacement Therapy (WOBENZYM)
> Enzyme replacement therapy for lysosomal storage diseases did not become a
> reality until the early 1990s when its safety and effectiveness were
> demonstrated in type 1 Gaucher disease. Today, ERT is a reality for Gaucher
> disease, Fabry disease and mucopolysaccharidosis type I (MPS I), and
> clinical trials with recombinant human enzymes are ongoing in Pompe
disease.
>
> LCH:
> Wobenzym will help, but what may help even more is Guaifenesin tablets.
THIS
> IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR TRADITIONAL THERAPY, keep going to the doc, and
> take this stuff.
> http://www.guaifenesin.com/guaishop.htm
>
> If you want to hack the problem, you need to be willing to be the guinea
> pig, the lab rat. Seek the care of licensed, trained doctors as you
normally
> would, but don't listen to the pooh-poohing they give on natural,
> nutritional, or over-the-counter remedies.
>
> I personally take both Wobenzym and Guaifenesin to overcome some serious
> ailments that were "uncurable" by modern medicine, and was forced to
> medicate the symptoms.
>
> I hope this information helps you, and helps other people on the list who
> see this.
>
> -joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:18 PM
> To: M. Shirk
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try
> medical research...
>
> Just like technology research (hacking)... but... if you are the one
> that finds a cure, you'll make your buck too.
>
> M. Shirk wrote:
>> There is more money to be made in the treatment of a disease, then
>> actually finding a cure.
>>
>> Remind you of anything?
>>
>> Shirkdog
>> ' or 1=1--
>> http://www.shirkdog.us
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:37:20 -0700
>>> From: kristian.hermansen@...il.com
>>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>>> Subject: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
>>>
>>> Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week
>>> and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so
>>> you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application,
>>> service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend
>>> our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular
>>> diseases instead? For instance, my brother (Jon Hermansen) has a very
>>> rare disease called Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis. It is also better
>>> known as LCH. It can be identified as causing such further diseases
>>> as Diabetes Insipidus, which is also uncommon (not sugar diabetes).
>>> Have you heard of these diseases before? Let me educate you.
>>>
>>> General Information:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langerhans_cell_histiocytosis
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus
>>>
>>> Seven Part Video Series:
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkBRqZS8nfM
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=w1h6ZjxF-To
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ojbJpERlt8
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqdYofMCQ
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=lNhzwNYhi0M
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=nY9DDEhShcE
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_8SEYyEZGI
>>>
>>> And even worse than this, a friend of mine who is a PhD student in
>>> Math at Berkeley has an even rarer disease known as Gaucher's Disease.
>>> This costs $550,000 / year to treat. That's a hefty bill every year
>>> (you make that much doing security vulns?), and some insurance
>>> companies might refuse to accept you due to "pre-existing" conditions.
>>> So guess what, my friend does not have health insurance and has not
>>> been treated for two years. A genius might die. That's ludicrous.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucher's_disease
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nX6QM5iVaU
>>>
>>> If we consider ourselves decent "hackers", why don't we put our
>>> efforts toward helping cure this and other diseases rather than some
>>> very simple programming vulnerability? Is it because then we would
>>> have to reinvent a whole new slew of tools and re-orient/re-educate
>>> ourselves to be successful? Think about it.
>>> --
>>> Kristian Erik Hermansen
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dailydave mailing list
>>> Dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>>> http://lists.immunitysec.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave
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> - simon
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