Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:03:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Sulzberger <jays@...ix.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: mac trojan in-the-wild



On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Adam St. Onge <adamst.onge@...il.com> wrote:

> So if i put a picture of a naked girl on a website and said to see more you
> must open a terminal and enter "rm -rf".
> Would we consider this a trojan...or just stupidity?

Yes, a Trojan.  Yes, stupidity on the part of the designer of the
home system.  There should be no way to destroy so much user data
by the user just typing six characters into a terminal window.

oo--JS.


>
> On 11/1/07, Alex Eckelberry <AlexE@...belt-software.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's not over-hype this-- while "Apple's day" has been coming, saying
>> that users will be "hit hard" on something the user has to
>>> manually download, manually execute, and explicitly grant
>> administrative privileges to is *way* over the top.
>>
>> The future of malware is going to be largely through social engineering.
>> Does that mean we ignore every threat that comes out because it requires
>> user interaction?  Seems like whistling past the graveyard to me.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@...merofgod.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:15 PM
>> To: Gadi Evron; bugtraq@...urityfocus.com;
>> full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>> Subject: RE: mac trojan in-the-wild
>>
>>> For whoever didn't hear, there is a Macintosh trojan in-the-wild being
>>
>>> dropped, infecting mac users.
>>> Yes, it is being done by a regular online gang--itw--it is not yet
>>> another proof of concept. The same gang infects Windows machines as
>>> well, just that now they also target macs.
>>>
>>> http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/screenshot-of-new-mac-
>>> trojan.html
>>> http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/mackanapes-can-now-can-feel-
>>> pain-of.html
>>>
>>> This means one thing: Apple's day has finally come and Apple users are
>>
>>> going to get hit hard. All those unpatched vulnerabilities from years
>>> past are going to bite them in the behind.
>>
>> Let's not over-hype this-- while "Apple's day" has been coming, saying
>> that users will be "hit hard" on something the user has to manually
>> download, manually execute, and explicitly grant administrative
>> privileges to is *way* over the top.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can sum it up in one sentence: OS X is the new Windows 98. Investing
>>
>>> in security ONLY as a last resort losses money, but everyone has to
>>> learn it for themselves.
>>
>> Not "the new Windows 98" by a long shot - saying that is just
>> irresponsible.  While Apple is not used to dealing with security in the
>> same way that other companies are, comparing OSX to Windows 98 is not
>> only a huge technical inaccuracy, but you also insult MAC users out
>> there.  OSX had "UAC-like unprivileged user controls" way before Vista
>> did - let's not try to start some holy-war on this like people have
>> tried to do with Windows vs Linux in the past.
>>
>> If you want to report this, then report it-- but say what it is, a
>> totally lame user-must-be-drunk "exploit" that requires that all manner
>> of things go wrong before it works -- otherwise people will think that
>> you've dressed up as Steve Gibson for Halloween.
>>
>> t
>>
>

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