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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:01:40 -0500
From: "I. D." <soufre@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: SCADA refresher

Datapac? In my experience, there aren't many things left there... of course,
I don't work in that industry. I thought most transactions/work took places
on other Canadian packet-switched networks. As for south of the border, I
know even less.

On Dec 3, 2007 2:51 PM, Dude VanWinkle <dudevanwinkle@...il.com> wrote:

> Also Johnson Controls
>
> in 2005 they were busy converting the proprietary BACnet speaking
> SCADA devices to embedded windows XP, considering NASA and friends run
> JCI, and there is no good way to update embedded XP (AFAIK) remotely,
> these systems should be prime targets...
>
> Whats an MLP?
>
> -JP
>
> On Dec 2, 2007 7:52 PM, gmaggro <gmaggro@...ers.com> wrote:
> > Been giving myself a little refresher on SCADA, hope no-one minds the
> MLP.
> >
> > Stock presentation on SCADA security issues:
> >
> >
> http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-federal-06/BH-Fed-06-Maynor-Graham-up.pdf
> >
> > Ganesh Devarajan's Defcon presentation was interesting:
> >   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2434649448102709100&hl=en
> >
> > Makes of SCADA and related products I have seen in actual use:
> >   Allen Bradley (hardware)
> >   Siemens       (hardware)
> >   RAND          (hardware)
> >   ABB           (hardware)
> >   Wonderware    (software, assuming this was what Ganesh was assaulting)
> >
> > Well, assuming it was Wonderware (http://us.wonderware.com) since in
> > multiple networks of hundreds of thousands of nodes, and the companies
> > that own them... Wonderware was the only SCADA related package that
> > creeped up.
> >
> > On a different and amusing note, X.25 was still in use in a number of
> > these locations. Take that for what you will, but I don't think that's a
> > good sign. Hello, Datapac! However I have little idea what the X.25
> > landscape is like anymore.  Would be interesting if both
> > credit/financial and infrastructure data regularly travelled over the
> > same paths. Get access to a lottery/debit terminal, or just its
> > connectivity, and leverage that.
> >
> > 24th Chaos Communication Congress "Hacking SCADA", it sure would be nice
> > to make it over:
> >   http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/events/2227.en.html
> >
> > More amusement, though it's a subscription site:
> >   http://www.digitalbond.com/wiki/index.php/SCADA_IDS_Signatures
> >
> > Anyone have any resources they'd care to share?
> >
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