full-disclosure - Re: need help in managing administrators

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Message-ID: <2d6724810712051719l532780fdw9f125e9509e5f274@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:19:21 -0500
From: "T Biehn" <tbiehn@...il.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: need help in managing administrators

All that time and you still fail it at the internet?

Sheesh.

:)

On Dec 5, 2007 5:44 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:04:42 EST, Dude VanWinkle said:
>
> > Anyone who was a security expert 30 yrs ago should be ridiculed. Their
> > job description was "I inspect all 5 & 1/4 disks that get mailed to
> > us" and should be a reason NOT to hire them :-P
>
> Anybody who doesn't know the history of security well enough to know what
> was going on 30 years ago deserves to be ridiculed.
>
> Here's a classic paper (the original Multics vulnerability analysis by Karger
> and Schell):
>
> http://www.acsac.org/2002/papers/classic-multics-orig.pdf
>
> Here's their 30-years-later retrospective:
>
> http://www.acsac.org/2002/papers/classic-multics.pdf
>
> Executive summary: We've learned somewhere between diddly and squat from
> 30 years of experience.
>
> Incidentally, Karger&Schell is the "unnamed Air Force document" that Ken
> Thompson references as the source for his Turing Award lecture:
>
> Thompson, K., "Reflections on Trusting Trust", Communications of the ACM,
> Vol. 27, No. 8, August 1984, http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
>
> Ridicule these guys at your own peril.  You can count me out, my personal timer
> is currently sitting at 29 years 10 months.. ;)
>
> Incidentally, 30 years ago, the 5.25" disk was still well in the future - even
> the 8" floppy was relatively new.
>

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