Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:05:10 +0000
From: "SilentRunner" <silentrunner@...hmail.com>
To: <secreview@...hmail.com>,<adam.muntner@...etmove.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Professional IT Security Providers -
	Exposed] QuietMove ( D - )

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Adam

I appreciate that you have to defend your firm, but why are you
giving the skiddie the satisfaction of even acknowledging his
existence?

Don't be fooled by the "we", secreview is one person. A kid of
maybe 15 sitting in his room looking for something better to do
besides squeezing spots and masturbating to the demo dollies on the
shopping channel.

Not a single person here has had anything but derision for the
fool's efforts, none of which have added or will ever add anything
useful to the trade. I look forward to the day when he "reviews" a
big firm and they send the lawyers in to hopefully take his parents
(some people shouldn't be allowed to breed) house, and his computer
away.

If he is universally ignored, he will get bored and go away.
Perhaps with luck he will direct his reviewing "talents" to
something useful, like hairdressers, or cosmetics, where simply
reading a website has some relevance to the product, not.

SR



On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:04:48 +0000 Adam Muntner
<adam.muntner@...etmove.com> wrote:
>Your review gets a d-.
>
>You can't add. You can't spell. Your skills appear to be limited
>to
>rudimentary use of a browser and linkedin.com. In combination with

>
>your undeserved and unearned sense of self importance, pretty
>pathetic.
>
>You spelled Marcin's last name wrong. Great use of linkedin.com.
>You
>can't even cunt n paste. He interned for us last semester. He
>isn't a
>front line consultant. So,you fail the ^c ^v and spelling
>practical,
>as well as the investigative one. We have 2 other consultants
>besides
>myself-they don't use linkedin and you didnt find them. Our
>clients
>know our consultants. We don't post their names on the website.
>
>F is for failure.
>
>As for my experience - I was also a the security officer for an at

>the
>time publicly traded company for 2 years, the IT director of 2
>.com
>startups where security was my responsibility for several years,
>and
>for the last 2 have been deeply involved with all customer
>engagements.
>Prior to that I spent the 90s architecting, developing, and
>leading
>developer teams.
>I hsve been pentesting since 98 and nearly nonstop since 2000. You

>
>were what, 11 years old then? Clearly, basic arithmetic isn't a
>strong
>point of yours, either. I suspect you spent the 90s in grammar
>school.
>At lest you seemed to learn something there.
>
>On that note....
>
>Most of our clients are referred by others who are very satisfied
>with
>the work we perform. Not by the website. It doesn't get a lot of
>attention - were small but growing and focused on serving our
>clients.
>I know basic HTML seems like the pinnacle of achievement to you,
>but
>we aren't in the business of making pretty web pages. We discuss
>our
>methodology with our clients-we don't post it on the web. I know
>you
>were hoping to learn nimething. Hacking for dummies might be more
>your
>speed, after you perfect your Cunt and Paste skills.
>
>I took the plunge and started what is now a growing business
>nearly 2
>years ago, and we now serve 3 fortune 1000 clients, replacing much

>
>larger firms, plus a good number of midsize clients. Being an
>entrepreneur is a lot more challenging than being an anonymous
>anklebite, though from your moms basement it might not seem that
>way.
>
>I'm heading to Manhattan for some R&R right now. If you are in the

>
>vicinity let me know, I'll buy you a beer (if you're 21) and you
>can
>meet me yourself and post a review or somthing.
>
>Don't take this wrong - consider it constructive criticism and try

>
>harder next time. It's good to know we are recognized enough to be

>
>noticed by the mighty, anonymous secreview. This might even double

>our
>daily web traffic to 20 visitors. ;)
>
>Adam Muntner
>Managing Partner
>QuietMove, Inc.
>http://www.quietmove.com
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Dec 31, 2007, at 4:13 PM, secreview <secreview@...hmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> QuiteMove, located at http://www.quitemove.com is a small
>> Professional IT Security Services Provider that offers Training

>
>> services, Incident Response Services, Web Application Security
>> Services and Penetration Testing Services. QuiteMove was started

>by
>> Adam Munter in 2006 along with Jeffrey Rassas, and James Garvey,

>Jr.
>> You can read their mission statement here
>"http://www.mywikibiz.com/Directory:QuietMove
>> " (but its pretty basic).
>>
>> When reviewing the QuiteMove website and people we were not the

>
>> least bit impressed. The QuiteMove website is packed full of
>> grammatical errors and many of the services don't even have
>> descriptions. The services that do have descriptions are very
>poorly
>> written and very poorly defined. Take a look at their
>Penetration
>> Testing service offering as an example. If you want to see an
>> example of no content check out their Social Engineering
>offering.
>>
>> Since we were unable to extract anything useful from the
>materials
>> provided to us by QuiteMove we decided to focus on the talent
>behind
>> QuietMove. Unfortunately we were equally unimpressed. The only
>> technically oriented team members that we were able to identify

>
>> within QuietMove were Adam Munter, who is a founder and Marcin
>> Wielgoszewsk, who is a very "green" consultant. Seeing as Adam
>> Munter is being positioned as the technical visionary for
>QuietMove,
>> we decided to focus on him and not on Marcin.
>>
>> Adam's Linkedin Bio: http://tinyurl.com/yt9j2y
>>
>> As it turns out Adam Munter worked for Accuvant, a company that

>
>> competes directly with Adam's QuietMove; prior to founding
>> QuietMove. Adam's role at Accuvant was to lead consultants on IT

>
>> Security Engagements for large orginazations. In conjunction
>with
>> this, Adam also spoke at conferences. He worked here for 1 year
>and
>> 1 month.
>>
>> Prior to working for Accuvant, Adam worked for Pegasus Solutions

>
>> Inc. as the acting Chief Security Officer. Pegasus is the
>largest
>> hotel reservation distribution system vendor and a major vendor
>of
>> Hotel Management systems. Adam did get some Sarbanes Oxley work

>
>> under his belt as he helped Pegasus to successfully "marshall"
>> through their first audit. Adam also initiated the program to
>help
>> get Pegasus to be Visa CISP compliant, including evaluating and

>
>> changing their handling of payment Cardholder data. He worked
>here
>> for 2 years and 1 month.
>>
>> From August 2000 to January 2003 Adam was a "Founding member of

>
>> IBM's Ethical Hacking Center of Competency." His
>responsibilities
>> included being a technical interviewer for new hires, a
>Penetration
>> Testing Subject Matter Expert, and the performance of consulting

>
>> engagements for clients ranging from midsize companies and
>> government agencies to the fortune 500. Adam worked for IBM for
>2
>> years and 6 months.
>>
>> So if we add up the relevant experience that Adam has had
>according
>> to his linked in bio we get 1 year and 1 month + 2 years and 6
>> months, which is a grand total of 3 years and 7 months of
>> professional IT Security Consulting Experience. Not sure about
>our
>> readers, but to us at Secreview that hardly makes Adam an IT
>> Security Expert.
>>
>> But wait, now we have a discrepancy...
>>
>> According to the QuietMove website, Adam "has over 14 years of
>> experience in information security, software, and product R&D
>with 8
>> years being dedicated solely to security." His QuietMove bio
>goes on
>> to say "Adam’s particular talents include penetration testing of

>web
>>  and binary applications, networks, systems, and SCADA, “social
>engi
>> neering” and physical penetration of facilities, and in
>developing p
>> rofessional services offerings."
>>
>> This just doesn't add up.
>>
>> Anyway, remember we didn't set out to bash anyone here, but
>Adam/
>> QuietMove put himself/themselves in the line of fire. QuietMove

>
>> appears to be a very small and disorganized shop. Their website
>is
>> half-assed and incomplete and we can't say anything better about

>
>> their talent profile. We suggest that QuietMove complete their
>> website and review their talent profile, then we'll set out to
>do
>> another review and see if they score better. As of right now, we

>
>> can't give them more than a D-. We'll keep an eye on their
>website
>> and redo this review if they ever fix their issues.
>>
>>
>> Score Card (Click to Enlarge)
>>
>> --
>> Posted By secreview to Professional IT Security Providers -
>Exposed
>> at 12/31/2007 11:32:00 AM
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