Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:35:42 -0500
From: "T Biehn" <tbiehn@...il.com>
To: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" <kristian.hermansen@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: "Andrew A" -> Benjamin Trott,
	Six Apart/Live Journal hacker, and belligerent anti-gay remarks?

Kristian Erik Hermansen,
Oh man, get sued for libel much?

Warm regards,

Travis

On Feb 12, 2008 3:13 AM, Kristian Erik Hermansen
<kristian.hermansen@...il.com> wrote:
> After the recent death of Justin Polazzo -- a dude who I only
> corresponded with over the net -- I noticed another post from "Andrew
> A", which touted some horrible remarks.  I don't know who "Andrew A"
> is, but he and I have had a running conversation publicly and
> privately.  He has proven to be quite immature.  I can offer some
> knowledge that he has provided to me privately to point at who it
> might be, but I make no guarantee to who the individual is.  It is
> merely from his mouth.  He wanted to meet me at the art gatherings in
> San Francisco's 20GOTO10, and give me a piece of his mind.  He called
> me a "pussy faggot" when I did not attend Christopher Abad's showing
> of ASCII art on those dates.
>
> Following is some insight that may help some people on this list track
> down who this "Andrew A" is.  It is a very sad day when we lose
> someone in real life and we must all rethink what is happening in our
> security community when people take pride in laughing at such loss of
> life.  The Internet may just be the flicking of electrons passing
> around in an invisible flux, but the people at the edge of our
> networks are real.  We must treat them with the same respect we would
> treat others with in person.  We must forgive.  We must forget.  We
> must do our best to unite our communities rather than divide them.  We
> have all made our own mistakes in the past, so let's continue our
> journey with a new goal -- that of trying to be good to one another in
> real life and online, despite its virtualness.  We must do that.  I
> have hope that we can accomplish decency online...
>
> http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/wordpress/2008/02/11/benjamin-trott-and-belligerent-anti-gay-remarks/
>
> Benjamin Trott is an American entrepreneur living in California. He is
> known for co-founding Six Apart (6 Apart, or 6A), which later
> purchased Live Journal. However, online, it appears that he may be
> acting under a pseudonym as "Andrew A" (gluttony@...il.com, gluttony).
>
> It all started back in December in San Francisco. An observation of
> mine regarding fetching favicon images in certain contexts, which many
> people I have spoken to consider a bug in some web browsers, turned
> into a flame-war on the full disclosure list and many accusations were
> flying. However, the discussion continued off-list privately where
> "Andrew A" continued with belligerent and even anti-gay remarks. It is
> just disgusting that someone of this stature would expend so much
> energy and hatred. I just want it to stop, but this person, whom I
> believe is Benjamin Trott, continues to harass me and it is
> unwarranted. Please stop and grow up "Andrew A" (gluttony@...il.com).
>
> The purported "Andrew A" claims to live at this residence, perhaps
> with his wife Mena G. Trott:
> 4338 26th street, San Francisco, CA
>
> His phone number appears to be (415) 821-2073. "Andrew A" should just
> quit this silliness and apologize. I felt the need to post this
> information in the case that others have been harassed by this
> individual.
>
> """
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> From: "Andrew A"
> To: "Kristian Erik Hermansen"
> Subject: Re: Mr. Andrew A"nonymous"
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> I live out of Orange County but I visit the bay for business and pleasure.
> No way am I gonna roll to Baysec or Berksec though. Do I look like a
> clueless wannabe faggot like you?
>
> I may be at the 20goto10 ansi show, but I'll definitely be at the buttes
> 20goto10 show. See you there. I'll introduce myself.
> """
>
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> I didnt see you at either 20goto10 show. pussy faggot.
>
> 4338 26th street, san francisco
>
> ask for ben.
>
> fuck you.
> """
>
> """
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> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:29:12 -0800
> From: "Andrew A"
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> That's my residence. I'm Ben. :D
>
> On Feb 10, 2008 2:32 PM, Kristian Erik Hermansen <
> kristian.hermansen@...il.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 10, 2008 11:00 AM, Andrew A wrote:
> > > I didnt see you at either 20goto10 show. pussy faggot.
> >
> > Chill out buddy. Way to hold a grudge. I was at Baysec, along with
> > Nate Lawson some Cloudmark guys and others. Where were you? :-)
> >
> > > 4338 26th street, san francisco
> >
> > And is this your residence or work?
> >
> > > ask for ben.
> >
> > Ben who?
> >
> > > fuck you.
> >
> > Right…you are so eloquent…
> > �C
> > Kristian Erik Hermansen
> > "Know something about everything and everything about something."
> """
> --
> Kristian Erik Hermansen
> "Know something about everything and everything about something."
>
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