Message-ID: <a8fe69350802172131l293b5445wf75e83bc9b7d97b1@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:31:23 -0600
From: "Fredrick Diggle" <fdiggle@...il.com>
To: "Bryan L. Singer" <bsinger_74@...oo.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: SCADA Security Corruption

> ....  Sure, we aren't always right... I quite
> often have changed a position in the face of
> irrefutable evidence. It is a mark of character to
> admit when you are wrong.

Fredrick Diggle imagines that happens quite often to you eh? Also the
hippo says hello :D

On Feb 17, 2008 9:21 PM, Bryan L. Singer <bsinger_74@...oo.com> wrote:
> I know Jonathan quite well ...  As a public leader in
> this space (one that is not afraid to stand up in
> front of crowds and speak a message), you are bound to
> make some enemies out there, it's inevitable.
>
> I can't remember where I heard it, but its a great
> saying... if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for
> anything... and its sage advice.
>
> The challenge is that once you expose yourself to the
> peanut gallery like many of us do, someone that does
> not have the same courage is likely to posit the voice
> of the pessimist.  It is much more easy to destroy
> than create.  Sure, we aren't always right... I quite
> often have changed a position in the face of
> irrefutable evidence. It is a mark of character to
> admit when you are wrong.
>
> Any tactic involving slamming another peer, throwing
> under the bus, or spreading uncorroborated
> information, however, is deplorable.  Sure, if JP or
> anyone else shows up on "The Smoking Gun" with a
> credible piece of information behind it.. then we can
> have this conversation.  But if we don't have solid
> proof, better left to say nothing.
>
> I know JP quite well and would be happy to know that
> he worked on my security program.
>
>
> PS:  asinine-sasion... that's good...
> --- worried security <worriedsecurity@...glemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2008 10:11 PM,  <beenthere@...h.com>
> > wrote:
> > > So what's the point, Ghostrider, other than
> > character assassination
> > > (or is that asinine-sasion)?
> > >
> > > Simply by highlighting what is at most dubious
> > information, you
> > > present it as fact and leave the rest to
> > now-public conjecture.
> > >
> > > What is your relation to the guy?  Indeed, when
> > were you
> > > fired...and for what?
> > >
> > > Even if your grudge-specific accusation had a
> > smidgen of truth,
> > > exactly how many people sharing that name are in
> > the US..or the
> > > world for that matter?  If you goto:
> > >
> > http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/namesearch.html
> > one can get a
> > > pretty good idea how common the name is, and work
> > the
> > > statistics yourself...  Better yet, if I goto a
> > search engine
> > > starting with Za...I find 5 different people with
> > the same name,
> > > residing anywhere from beautiful Bakersfield, Ca
> > to McCalla,
> > > Alabama (don't forget your Banjo, pig, and
> > slobbering 'Tard, 'ya
> > > hear?).
> > >
> > > The odds seem to be...lacking, Ghostrider.
> > >
> > > What a nasty, spiteful and cheap way to air your
> > grievance against
> > > someone -- one can only hope the groundwork you're
> > laying doesn't
> > > come back to bite you, hard, when the Karma PoPo
> > demand unfettered
> > > access inside 'yer head.
> > >
> > > Let's be honest here, perhaps a rare, seminal
> > event for 'ya --
> > > you're not performing research, you're trying to
> > throw this guy
> > > under a bus, an inquisition by any other name --
> > and I'm calling
> > > you out.
> > >
> > > Ghostrider, the question to everyone's answer is
> > usually found from
> > > within, and I hope the looking glass doesn't hurt
> > too much when
> > > it's pointed your way some day.
> > >
> > > -BeenThere
> > >
> > > p.s. Have you seen what the average SCADA admin
> > looks like?  One
> > > guy in these parts looks like he could have walked
> > off the AC/DC
> > > Tour Bus...and I must say, I can tell when he
> > comes on shift 'cause
> > > the lights burn just a little brighter.
> >
> >
> > If SecurityFocus Robert Lemos and HackerFactor Dr
> > Neal Krawetz and the
> > Funsec crowd can get away with character
> > assassination without legal
> > action, then some Ghost Rider guy on Full-Disclosure
> > is small fry.
> >
> > You know what am sayin? ;)
> >
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> --------------
> Bryan L Singer
>
> Mufris, non Magister
>
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