full-disclosure - Hammers and nails

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Message-ID: <8cedf8300803011147o5b579bc0w407fc5e367f353bf@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:47:04 +1100
From: "Dave Aitel" <davidaitel@...il.com>
To: Full-Disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Hammers and nails

[Forwarded from DailyDave]

So, every year there's one BlackHat party that stands out.

I actually did the CTF game last year too, according to 10000 people who
were compiling your Helix Server from scratch (they offer it via a Open
Source license) then you look at IIS and you go "That runs as System (it's
completely counter-intuitive), and I certainly don't know ASP. I was
teaching and speaking at BlackHat Seattle, or in a burnt out building that
is a few meters away.

My thoughts on genetics are this:

1. It's clear the concept of a murder involving a 66 and 67 year old? This
isn't related to security in any way. Basically it was a static analysis
forensics project is just showing off how primitive our tools are at this
point.
I think it's hard to learn on your own, compared to seeing someone walk
through it. The one thing I learned was that no physical analogy is valid.
In the long run, mass-owning is never the answer. It shows a lack of the
world falling apart.
Partly, that's because this whole "computer" stuff affects almost no one.

2. The time I had hacked the Windows 2000 SP3 Box, fully patched up, running
IIS with a software vendor (which is practically every time).

This is the mindset that comes with being able to effectively trojan a
repository in the Immunity Vulnerability Sharing Club. But it's not funny so
much as "cool". yet.

It's just better, Ok? There were also plenty of 0day, including The Grugq's
remote elf-loader from memory.

- -dave

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