full-disclosure - Re: Free Iraq

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:10:50 -0400
From: "Garrett M. Groff" <groffg@...design.com>
To: "Razi Shaban" <razishaban@...il.com>, "b." <datatank@...e.fr>,
	<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Free Iraq

Not commenting on the perceived misunderstanding, but I'll post a couple 
thoughts...

One, I disagree with the "rogueness" of the US (beyond that, the debate is 
semantics, methinks). Having said that, I'm not particularly fond of the 
current administration and I hope the next president expresses greater 
desire toward diplomacy and engagement internationally.

Cuba embargo:
I agree. It's stupid and unncessary. It constricts our ability to expand 
economic connectivity to Cubans (in addition to the restrictions within Cuba 
that are imposed by the socialist regime) at no strategic gain. I hope the 
next administration phases out the embargo that, obviously, has not been 
effective.

- G

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Razi Shaban" <razishaban@...il.com>
To: "b." <datatank@...e.fr>
Cc: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Free Iraq

I'm sorry, but I think you misunderstood part of my post.
What I meant was that the USA is a rogue nation, just like other
so-called "rogue nations," and is causing the UN to lose its
effectiveness.

I don't doubt that what the USA has done to Cuba is pointless,
ineffective, and strategically wrong.

--
Razi

On 3/27/08, b. <datatank@...e.fr> wrote:
> Sorry for the Junk mail ( not related 2 security )
>  But
>  this made me laugh a lot
>  rogue/clean nations
>  and USA as a respectfull ONU member
>  Cuba blocus is condemned for 14 years, each years, by the general
>  assembly @ ONU,
>  On the ONU thema, please read *Hans-Christof von Sponeck book
>  "*/A different war : The UN sanctions regime in Irak"
>  /And be a little more subtle/
>  /
>
>
>  Razi Shaban a écrit :
>
> > Touche.
>  >
>  > Now a question. Is the USA a member of the UN? Okay. And was Iraq a
>  > member of the UN? Okay. So both nations agreed to subject themselves
>  > to the UN mandate, which implies recognition.
>  >
>  > In order for the UN to effectively work, the participation of all
>  > nations is a must. When you have rogue nations such as Libya, North
>  > Korea, and the USA, thats when the UN begins to appear defunct.
>  >
>  > --
>  > Razi
>
>
>

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