full-disclosure - Re: [NANOG] IOS rootkits

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Message-ID: <a19de5380805201553m555806e8k42faa5d5e21138f3@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:53:44 -0400
From: "Dr. J Swift" <fdiscsplat@...il.com>
To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [NANOG] IOS rootkits

Mr. Wallace,

In your rush to reply, you failed to actually respond to my post.

Again, you use the technique of "Supressed Evidence" to forcefully
reply while not actually responding to the point that was made.

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 6:31 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Dr. J Swift <fdiscsplat@...il.com> wrote:
>> Mr. Wallace,
>>
>> 1.  HD Moore long ago released a kit that could be used to rootkit
>> Cisco boxes.  This is an obvious statement of fact.
>> 2.  In-the-wild Cisco rootkits have been known to non-eponymous
>> security researchers for a considerable time.
>> 3.  You have said that HD More is a global threat.
>> 4.  You have repeatedly defamed/slandered/libeled HD Moore among a
>> global community of peers and coworkers.
>>
>> I am providing this opportunity for you to show a correlation between
>> the current existence of rootkits for Cisco systems and the current
>> existence of tools from HD Moore.
>
>
> So can you guarantee the HD Moore's of the world won't work out how to
> do Cisco rootkits after the EUSecWest presentation and won't release a
> tool to the mailing lists?
No guarantee is required.  Rootkits and tools already exist.

>
> Whoever ends up working out how to do Cisco rootkits and releases a
> tool to the mailing lists for it, would be a global threat.
Backpedaling is meaningless.  You have numerous times violated UK and
international law.

>
> You are delusional if you think this presentation won't lead to
> someone releasing a tool to the script kids, the presentation can't go
> ahead.
1.  It is obvious to security researchers, Mr. Wallace, that a number
of such tools already exist.
2.  There exist a number of Cisco rootkits that are known to security
researchers.
Mr. Wallace, I am sure that you are thoroughly versed in these things
because of your standing in the security community and your
affiliation with Global Intelligence Services.  So, why do you
repeatedly cast aspersions on HD Moore?

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