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Message-ID: <6158bb410806271738m799e6951y685ecd5ad3c3cc38@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:38:56 -0400 From: Ureleet <ureleet@...il.com> To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: What the UK government care about in a hacker u know how old this article is? On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:08 AM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote: >> I think we've gone beyond the F-Secure has said stage, I think folks >> are looking for something more. I think the security space has evolved >> already in respect of home user hackers, the security professional >> circuit and with the government. >> >> Infact the government are finding it hard to keep up with what's >> possible by the government and what's technologically possible by joe >> average in his bedroom. >> >> A few years ago it was impossible for joe average to shoot the live >> scene of a national emergency via his cell phone, email that footage >> to a national television station and that to be used as prime time >> evidence of the incident, now it is. >> >> With this I look onto the media, its still using F-Secure press >> releases for its news round. >> >> Your average joe is now able to creep behind the media wall and get >> the news before the outlet gets time to read up. >> >> The fact, the media is becoming less important in the security arena >> for bringing us news. >> >> Your average joe can configure google.com/ig to give them keyword news >> thats coming onto the news wires and google.com/alerts can too. >> >> What used to be a government fundamental for the intelligence >> services, is now becoming a challenge for them to know what user is >> signed upto what and how much they know. >> >> Before it was more straight forward, they would know what news sites >> were available as civilian intelligence sources but now its becoming >> less obvious. >> >> The intelligence community are having to dig deep into online >> community to see what is possibly being plotted and what sources of >> information they have and the technique in which its gathered. >> >> Today the world is changing, what used to be charted water only >> reserved for the intelligence services is now also being used by the >> civilian population. >> >> It's scary times, hackers have the best ability to over come the >> intelligence services, not the script kids, but the hackers! >> >> The main focus for the British intelligence service is mobile and >> anything to do with radio frequency hacks, including RFID type stuff, >> that's high on the British government look out. >> >> The media are hyping about mobile phone worm, while this hype *is* >> unfounded right now, thats not to say its not top on the British >> government's watch list of most desirable vulnerability threat vector >> against national infrastructure of government and civilian population. >> >> The hax0r credibility score board from the government's point of view >> isn't hacks in safari, fire fox or internet explorer, its >> telecommunications and radio frequency hacks right now. >> >> So while you and your friends might think browser hacks, etc.. think >> again, the real stuff that gets the UK government interested in you is >> radio, mobile and chip hacks, anything to do with electronics and >> communication, they don't actually give a fuck about applications, DNS >> hacks, Cisco router hacks and the like. >> >> While those things like DNS hacks, Cisco router hacks and the like >> are internet critical, they aren't national security critical... >> >> So hackers, if you want the most hax0r credibility points and >> attention with the UK government, think national infrastructure, radio >> frequency, chip hacks and mobile telecommunication interception. >> >> If you want head hunted into the UK government cyber defensive, >> offensive and research departments go for those vectors... keep away >> from silly stuff like web browser hacks, DNS poisoning, Cisco etc. >> >> How will the UK government contact you? Brute guys will jump out of a >> range rover land rover which will have darkened windows and will give >> you an offer you can't refuse after abducting you for five minutes >> based on your research post on Full-Disclosure. >> >> All the best, >> >> n3td3v >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> > Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:42 PM > Subject: GSM Researcher stopped at Heathrow Airport by UK government officials > To: n3td3v <n3td3v@...glegroups.com> > > > I was leaving today from the United Kingdom/Heathrow airport. I am > about to speak at the HITB IT security conference about GSM security > and the USRP (gnu-radio project). > > I was searched by the UK government while waiting at the Gate and > reading a newspaper. A UK Government employee flipped his badge and > said "Let's talk. Come over here". > > They detained my USRP (Software Defined Radio), my mobile phone and my > personal SIM card. > > They did their homework. They knew who I am, where i live, which day I > speak at the conference and who I work for. > > I'm involved in the GSM software project where we also developed a new > attack against the GSM encryption A51. We published our research in > February at the Blackhat security conference in Washington DC. > > I understand that the government wanted to make sure that I'm not > exporting any cryptanalytic device. > > I did not. I will not. The USRP is a radio. My mobile phone is a > normal nokia 3310 phone and my SIM card is a sim card. > > They said they do not know what the USRP is and that I can not take it > until they have checked it in the lab. This can take 14 days (1/2 > month). > > So be it. They have it for 14 days. Guys, enjoy the device! It's fun > playing around with it! > > I'm uneasy that they took my mobile phone and my sim card. Having a > pregnant wife at home and not being reachable complicates my > situation. > > Is this common practice? Are they allowed to do this? > Any tips how I can get my mobile phone and my sim card back quicker? > > Our project: http://wiki.thc.org/gsm > The USRP is available from http://www.ettus.com > The GNU RADIO project: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio > > > stunning, > > THC > --- > Appendix: Surprisingly they did not detain my laptop or my paperwork > which would be the most likely place to store any information related > to cracking A51. They were also not interested in my 160GB harddrive > which would have been the obvious place for storing the rainbow > tables. Neither were they interested in the high performance FPGA > chip. > > Instead they took all equipment that could have been used for > demonstrating that GSM signals can be received with publicly available > hardware for 700 USD. > > It does not appear that they were after cryptanalytic information. > > I received a yellow paper about my detained goods. They left the field > blank that reads > "The goods specified below are detained for the following reason:". What reason? > > They also crossed out the field "Agent" of the officer who was in > charge of the operation. > > --- > UPDATE 2008-04-18 > Arrived back at Heathrow. Airplane crew announced "All passengers > please have your passport ready. There is a passport check while > leaving the airplane. Passenger Steve Mueller please make yourself > noticeable to the crew. Steve Mueller please." > > They told me at the gate that I can get my equipment back. I had a > chat with them and they answered many of my questions. They did not > answer who requested that I should be searched when I left the > country. > > I'm happy that I got my equipment back and I appreciate that they had > it checked out quickly. > > I'm still not sure why they took exactly the radio receiver parts. I > had to change my presentation for the conference and was not able to > demonstrate the USRP/gnu-radio. > > http://blog.thc.org/index.php?/archives/1-GSM-Researcher-stopped-at-Heathrow-Airport-by-UK-government-officials.html > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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