full-disclosure - Re: Media backlash begins against HD Moore and I)ruid

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Message-ID: <4b6ee9310808051236m50baad19sc9fc4bda17e81646@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:36:12 +0100
From: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Media backlash begins against HD Moore and
	I)ruid

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:57 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:40:32 BST, n3td3v said:
>
>> Are you suggesting HD Moore had prior knowledge that the Austin Texas
>> AT&T servers were vulnerable?
>
> No - simply saying that either they were vulnerable, or they weren't.  If
> they weren't vulnerable, HD didn't have to do anything.  And even if they
> *were*, somebody would still have to actually *attack* them.
>
> And even if they *got* attacked, it's quite possible that the upsides of not
> bothering to do something outweighed the risks.  If you estimate that the
> cost (including "things you could have spent your time doing") is more than
> the losses, why bother?  "Even if we *got* whacked, we'd lose maybe $500. But
> in the time I'd waste dealing with the issue, I could generate something that
> will get us $2,000 in revenue.  So if I fix it, I lose $1500, and if I ignore
> it, I come out $1,500 ahead if we get hit, and $2,000 if we don't".
>

Is what you're describing not against the law Valdis, it sure sounds
like it to me. Some kind of gross negligence...

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Gross+negligence
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/negligence

Is this what goes on at Virginia Tech on a regular basis? Maybe the
authorities should be looking into you a lot more while they are
looking into HD Moore. ;)

I wonder if the the intelligence services thought like you before 9/11
and 7/7 eh...I get the feeling they did.

For sure people like you who support this kind of activity should be
investigated. It sounds criminal.

Have you ever carried out this kind of activity Valdis where you put
security and people at risk to make and/or save money?

If cyber-terrorism is going to become a real threat, we don't need
people like Valdis around and we should sure keep track of him.

Would you allow a cyber-9-11 to happen Valdis if there was money
involved? I'm starting to become worried about you dude, maybe I
should be e-mailing the folks at Virginia Tech this thread, and
perhaps, just perhaps the F.B.I and see what they think about what
you've just told me.

You seem to be normalizing what you've just described to me as normal
run-of-the-mill legal activity, when it clearly isn't.

To me what you've just described is illegal, criminal and wrong.

All the best,

n3td3v

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