full-disclosure - Re: Media backlash begins against HD Moore and I)ruid

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Message-ID: <4898BAF7.5050100@nc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:41:27 -0400
From: scott <redhowlingwolves@...rr.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Media backlash begins against HD Moore and
 I)ruid

Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:
>  On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:40:32 BST, n3td3v said:
>
> > Are you suggesting HD Moore had prior knowledge that the Austin Texas
> > AT&T servers were vulnerable?
>
>  No - simply saying that either they were vulnerable, or they weren't.  If
>  they weren't vulnerable, HD didn't have to do anything.  And even if they
>  *were*, somebody would still have to actually *attack* them.
>
>  And even if they *got* attacked, it's quite possible that the upsides 
of not
>  bothering to do something outweighed the risks.  If you estimate that the
>  cost (including "things you could have spent your time doing") is more 
than
>  the losses, why bother?  "Even if we *got* whacked, we'd lose maybe 
$500. But
>  in the time I'd waste dealing with the issue, I could generate 
something that
>  will get us $2,000 in revenue.  So if I fix it, I lose $1500, and if I 
ignore
>  it, I come out $1,500 ahead if we get hit, and $2,000 if we don't".
>
>
>
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You can't expect n3td3v to understand things like that. He's a hero to 
all who read his cut-n-paste blog, not a true InfoSec worker.



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