full-disclosure - Re: [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web sites

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Message-ID: <5d80962a0808171320v2b07dffdr37d3b3043044a458@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:20:24 -0400
From: "Static Rez" <staticrez@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian
	web sites

The only cyber wars going on in government are probably done discreetly
without any side even knowing it's occuring. it's called SPYING. But i do
not, personally, have any proof of this.

sr.

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Radoslav Dejanović <
radoslav.dejanovic@...us.hr> wrote:

> Paul Ferguson wrote:
>
> > Also, I wish to say:
> >
> > "It is clear that there are anti-Georgian forces at work on the
> > Internet."
> >
> > "Who they are, and what their motivations are 9at this point),
> > remains to be seen."
>
> Just for the record...
>
> There were in the past several such "cyber wars" between Croatia and
> Serbia, with the scenario not quite unlike this one. The scenario is as
> follows:
>
> 1. there's some political tension between countries;
>
> 2. someone on one side decides that it would be highly patriotic to
> attack servers on the other side;
>
> 3. someone on the other side retaliates by attacking other country's
> servers;
>
> 4. more individuals join in, adding to the magnitude of the event;
> clueless media joins in with headlines like "brave local patriots are
> hacking the (evil) other side into oblivion; we have won the real war,
> we're going to win this one too";
>
> 5. governments do not quite understand what is going on, but they do not
> intervene because they can get some political points out of that mess
> (cracked government web pages are collateral damage and in fact good for
> propaganda);
>
> 6. after some time, the "cyberwar" ceases.
>
>
> IMHO, what is going on in Georgia is a scenario like the one above. I
> don't think there's any real cyberwar between governments going on, but
> in fact local groups of people who believe that they're showing their
> patriotism. Therefore:
>
> - who they are: groups of individuals, not a state operated force
>
> - what are their motivations: showing patriotism and having a
> "legitimate" target to practice "cyberwar", as nobody is going to
> prosecute a patriotic attack on enemy country's infrastructure.
>
> - how to end it: it will end by itself.
>
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