full-disclosure - Re: [inbox] Re: Supporters urge halt to, hacker's, extradition to US

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Message-ID: <4b6ee9310809291642o5d6c2418t23c8d038b7341bbf@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:42:03 +0100
From: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, n3td3v <n3td3v@...glegroups.com>, 
	info@...egary.org.uk
Subject: Re: [inbox] Re: Supporters urge halt to, hacker's,
	extradition to US

nobody could be so stupid to leave their car door unlocked, ::blush::
the u.s military did, then gary mckinnon left a note on their wind
screen wiper to say, look guys, you left your door unlocked, maybe you
should fix it.

the u.s military come back to the car, and claim the inside of the car
has been damaged, but no proof it was gary mckinnon who did it, when
their were plenty other people who could have walked past the same car
and done something to it.

the u.s decide they can't prove it was gary mckinnon who did the
damage, because all they've got is the note on the wind screen wiper
saying, you left your door unlocked, maybe you should fix it.

next we know, the kid is being extradited to the u.s on charges of
carrying out the biggest car crime of all time, and they change the
law to say, actually we don't need proof you caused the damage or that
any damage existed, we're blaming you anyway.

by the way, we're giving you 60 years and you're never going to see
your friends and family ever again.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Exibar <exibar@...lair.com> wrote:
>  So you guys are saying that if I forget my keys in my car and the door
> unlocked that it's not a crime to steal my car?
>  It's not a crime to NOT lock your house, but it's still a crime to open
> that door and take that big screen tv if you're not the owner...
>
>  Doesn't matter if he willfully caused damage or not, he still caused that
> damage, he's still a criminal.  The details will have to come out in court,
> and they will.  Either in the US or in the UK, doesn't matter...
>
>  He's a criminal, period... He should be treated as such...
>
>  Exibar
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of n3td3v
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 11:24 AM
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; n3td3v; info@...egary.org.uk
> Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] Supporters urge halt to,
> hacker's,extradition to US
>
> I just think someone from the military should be in the dock as
> well!!! This wasn't a one sided security incident, sloppy admins were
> involved in the 'threat to national security' that Gary Mckinnon
> supposedly posed.
>
> The passwords on the systems weren't set, if it wasn't Gary Mckinnon
> it was going to be some other script kid who got in.
>
> I don't know why the military are making a big deal about what
> happened, when ultimately its their I.T security staff who were the
> main culprits of blame.
>
> Accoriding to Gary Mckinnon, there were lots of script kids in the
> systems at the same time as him, they just decided to pick him out of
> the crowd to make an example of the activity that was going on.
>
> This should be a non-issue that should have been delt with internally
> in the military, the I.T security staff blamed and the script kids
> left to go on their humble way.
>
> When the way of intrusion is this lame, and its obvious the blame is
> on the I.T security staff, then I don't think they should waste
> everyone's time herding one of the script kid across the atlantic,
> just to keep America's nation pride in tact.
>
> Geez fucking christ, it was totally the military's fault, there is no
> get out clause.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Kyrian <kyrian@....org> wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> Thanks to "Exibar" for the (likely) clarification. No issue in converting
>> from metric, incidentally ;-)
>>
>> I will check out the links you provided this evening and make up my own
> mind.
>>
>
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