full-disclosure - Re: Fwd: UK government monitoring

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Message-ID: <8a6b8e350810122317p4ff106f3tacc71c50d276cc48@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:17:38 -0700
From: "James Matthews" <nytrokiss@...il.com>
To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, dninja@...il.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: UK government monitoring

I think the irony of the situation is that they have their CCTV cameras for
years now and they didn't bring crime down. How will this database help?

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 8:35 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:

> On 10 Oct, 11:56, "Robin Wood" <dni...@...il.com> wrote:
> > Looks like the UK government is going to start monitoring us a lot
> > closer in the future:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/07/detica_interception_modernisation/
>
> they are already doing it, you just don't know about it yet, oh you do
> now...because they want to start using the data for court cases, so
> the announcement has been made.
>
> if the government announce something, it usually means, "we've tested
> this out already and it kicks ass, and now we want to make it official
> and no longer a secret, as we need to admit to a judge how we came to
> have certain evidence in order to convict people we want to take out
> the picture, either because they are an immediate risk to national
> security or are getting in the way of MI5/6/GCHQ strategic ambitions."
>
> if public opinion says no to the database, the database won't be taken
> away, it will still be there as an open secret.
>
> the only problem that arises is the data held would still only be able
> to be used by intelligence officers to coordinate operations, but
> couldn't be used to convict anybody.
>
> what's going on right now is, they want to use this database to
> convict people, so they had to make the announcement, however the
> database has always been there, and even if the public don't give it
> the go-ahead, even if it doesn't exist yet, they would just build it
> in secret anyway...
>
> however n3td3v believes the database is already in place.
>
> This news release is just a public acceptability test, for a database
> which is already in existence.
>
> n3td3v
>
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