Message-ID: <591fd0b20812060730u67a42256h72504aaf1ec426bf@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:30:19 -0500
From: "Stack Smasher" <stacksmasher@...il.com>
To: "Bipin Gautam" <bipin.gautam@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: FD culture!?

Are you fucking retarded?

The filtering of this information in any way would be a crime against
humanity.







On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Bipin Gautam <bipin.gautam@...il.com> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> This mailing list lives up to its name "Full Disclosure" for
> tolerating the monkeys and their chattering in this list for quite
> some time now without moderation or any action! This mailing list had
> a "culture", "the audience base" and that was the "only reason" we all
> subscribed to it!
>
> # Standard, culture, content quality, popular interest, intellect...
> spam!, off topic discussion, unnecessary topic, flame war
>
> >From the above list ask anyone "sensible" enough to pick up qualities
> to be a information security mailing list. What options do you come up
> with?
> If someone repeatedly meet to fail the general code of conduct please
> band them for not being in "popular interest" for an unmoderated
> discussion. Is it that hard so hard to grasp that those type of people
> really dont deserve here?
>
> A wise person would never choose to speak in-between fools. It looks
> like FD is starting to be plagued with similar trend and slowly
> dropping on the quality of discussion/interest.
>
> If FD moderators cant maintain the mailing list culture, its quality
> its market reputation and audience interest naturally decreases as it
> has been. FD should be a platform to promote collective intelligence
> in information security with MEANINGFUL full-disclosure instead of
> having never ending noise, annoyance, distraction and meaning less
> discussion to waste our time. FD was there because not all info-sec
> mailing list provided unmoderated discussion. But moderators please
> assure a minimum level of "content/quality".
>
> In the list we all are obligated to keep harmony with all but least
> not with people with problem to socialize and generally annoyance.
> Moderators are really not doing justice by going against the "popular
> belief" (the subscribers) Please do not forget, the mailing list is
> there because WE subscribers are there and we were subscribed to this
> list because this mailing list had a culture! "Full-Disclosure" live
> up to its name but please preserve a standard, a culture and a quality
> of discussion.
>
> Phase 2:
> - Post unnecessarily and very frequently like the current FD trend.
> - Ask other 30 people to do the same.
> - Make sure any/all meaningful discussion is dwarfed in unnecessary
> and meaningless noise.
> - Wait moderators to act... lobby........ or repeat phase 2 till FD
> goes in dust, really!
>
> Shame on FD moderators for putting us on a situation to neither we can
> unsubscribe from the list for the real content that pops here now and
> then... but have to tolerate unproductive noise lots of time from
> people with anonymous identities for top-posting on off-track
> discussion.
>
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