Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:05:15 -0200
From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>
To: Alaa Abdelwahab <alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

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The bloodshed is caused by idiot people, motherfuckers and things like that. Stop the damn religion
of bein g an excuse for your country's desires, ok? Ig god existed, he'd probably be thinking about
nuking the hell out of Earth.

Alaa Abdelwahab wrote:
> Mikael
> 
>> This opinion is causing the majority of the bloodshed in the world today.
> 
> What is causing the bloodshed is the unjust arrangements that are tying to
> be forced somewhere, the same like your example after the WW I.
> 
> 
>> The argument can be made that Israel also tried peace, but it was responded
>> with my bombings etc. Atrocities have been commited by both sides, this is
>> an never ending argument. Both sides need to decide that they want peace,
>> make sure they have representatives that also believe in this, and then
>> they need to sit down and decide what to do, execute it and at the same
>> time curb extremism in their own midst.
> 
> What peace they have tried? Did they agree on the tens of UN resolutions:
> 
> - Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
> (General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948 )
> - Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal. (Security Council Resolution
> 242, Nov. 22, 1967 )
> - Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal. (Security Council
> Resolution 446, March 22, 1979)
> - Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination. (General Assembly
> Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974)
> - Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State. (Security Council Resolution 1397,
> March 12, 2002)
> - The 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel. (UN
> General Assembly Resolution 181)
> - Recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem. (Resolution
> 127)
> 
> All above UN resolutions and other tens of other resolutions to deplores the
> Israeli terror attacks against Lebanon/Jordan/Syria/Palestine/.... were just
> been ignored by Israel and instead they are just trying to force their own
> view of peace, I don't call this peace.
> 
> Maybe you have a different definition of the terror acts.
> 
> When a man bomb himself and kills tens of civil ppl this is a terror act,
> but also when a powerful country sends its troupes inside another country
> and kills a thousands civil ppl this is a terror act as well.
> 
> Don't tell me it is doing that to protect itself.
> 
> To protect itself it should respect the UN resolutions. That should only
> bring peace to the whole area and we all live in peace.
> 
> What I believe is that the UN should force Israel to respect its
> resolutions, the same way they did in Iraq and Yugoslavia.
> 
> 
>> This is the current situation, it wasn't like this historically. Trying to 
>> argue that one side is evil by looking at latest developments is always a 
>> slippery road. You just before said that there were 5000 rockets launched 
>> in the past 8 years into Israel? Isn't that evil?
>> This leads nowhere.
> 
> As per the UN resolution which defined Israel as an "occupation forces",
> that gives the right to the Palestinian to resist. Any way they see, and we
> all should support them.
> And as per the International Humanitarian Law "the Geneva Conventions", the
> safety and securing a good life for the Palestinian ppl is the
> responsibility of Israel.
> 
> 
>> Force? As opposed to the parties involved here, I am writing/talking, 
>> instead of promoting bloodshed.
> 
> 
> When I said "force YOUR" didn't mean you, sorry for the misunderstanding it
> is my bad.
> 
> Brgds...Alaa
> 
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