Message-ID: <4960DEF5.8080502@buanzo.com.ar>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:08:21 -0200
From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>
To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

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yeah, yeah...

Avraham Schneider wrote:
> yeah, yeah... I know it's painful to hear the truth.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
> <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>> wrote:
> 
> yeah, yeah..
> 
> Avraham Schneider wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
>> <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>
> <mailto:buanzo@...nzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>>> wrote:
> 
>> Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway.
>> Religion is an excuse to dominate
>> simple minds.
> 
>>> At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish
> ancestry
>>> have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all
> individual
>>> recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37%
> of all
>>> US recipients2 during the same period.  In the scientific research
>>> fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the
> corresponding
>>> world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively.  (Jews
> currently
>>> make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of
> the US
>>> population.)
> 
>>> Considering Jews are testifying to the existence of G-d - I would
> say it
>>> is hard to make your claim under these results...
> 
> 
> 
>> Avraham Schneider wrote:
> 
> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab
>> <alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>
> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>>
>>> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>
> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>>>>
>> wrote:
> 
>>>     Avraham,
> 
>>>     With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language
> 
>>>     I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many
>> years, but
>>>     does that mean they have to own the whole land now?
> 
>>> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it
>> back - so
>>> yes, they have the right for the whole land now.
> 
> 
>>>     I think this just give them the right to live and own their
> lands,
>>>     without denying the same right
>>>     for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for
>>>     thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of
>> the states.
> 
>>> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years.
>>> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel,
> proof
>>> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset
>> members).
>>> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there -
>> they
>>> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the
>>> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that
>>> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be
>>> defeated - something that did not happen.
>>> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later
>>> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder
>>> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs?
> 
> 
> 
>>>     There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem
> with
>>>     Jewish,
>>>     they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when
> Muslims
>>>     control
>>>     the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary
>> to what
>>>     Europe
>>>     did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with
>> Palestinians.
> 
>>> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for
>> genocide of
>>> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian
> Authority
>>> TV, on March 30, 2007:
> 
>>> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims
>> fight the
>>> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will
>> say: Oh,
>>> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'
> 
>>> I think that proves you wrong.
> 
> 
> 
>>>     The Idea is to live and let others live as well.
> 
>>> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the
>> land the
>>> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace.
>>> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian
>>> population that support the terrorists firing them.
> 
> 
> 
>>>     Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you
>>>     agree with
>>>     aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own
>> the power
>>>     should kill every one before they have the same power.
>>>     I'm surprised from your idea.
> 
>>> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would
>> accept the
>>> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population.
>>> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government
>> by 90%
>>> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the
>>> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego.
>>> How do you think the U.S. would react?
>>> How do you expect the U.S. to react?
> 
> 
> 
>>>     So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't
>>>     kill all
>>>     Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and
>> they had the
>>>     chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we
>>>     believe that
>>>     we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless
> their
>>>     religion,
>>>     color, origin ...etc
> 
>>> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not
>> convert
>>> - they didn't succeed but they tried.
> 
> 
> 
>>>     The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so
>> don't
>>>     built
>>>     the hate or you are going to pay for it.
> 
>>> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires
>> rise and
>>> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice
>> prevails.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>>     Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be
>> changed.
> 
>>> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening...
>>> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid.
> 
> 
> 
>>>     But we will never change our idea.
> 
>>> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr.
>>> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the
>>> world has to deal with.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>>     Brgds...Alaa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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