Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:13:34 +0100
From: Some0ne <growbut@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: FW:  The war in Palestine

 Avarham -- plz find some who CARE about your propaganda and stop spaming



>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avraham Schneider [mailto:avri.schneider@...il.com]
> Sent: 6. januar 2009 10:45
> To: j-f sentier
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>
> if the facts I show you are porpaganda, what would you call your lies?
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
> wrote:
> > Avraham, dude  you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some
> thermo-pump
> > or something
> > you've big skill in selling/propaganda :)
> >
> > 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
> >>
> >> The basic facts:
> >>
> >>    * Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians.  The
> >> number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by
> >> Israel is precisely zero.  The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been
> >> trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom
> >> unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and
> in
> >> their mosques.
> >>    * Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate
> >> humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while
> >> Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60
> >> truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were
> >> transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of
> >> Gaza's electricity.
> >>    * Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has
> >> indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population
> >> centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone.
> >>    * Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching
> >> pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years.
> >>    * Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and
> >> launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian
> population
> >> centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line
> of
> >> fire.
> >>    * No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its
> >> civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the
> >> border.
> >>    * If American civilians would have become targets to such terror
> >> attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would
> respond
> >> very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown
> >> restraint to date.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp <erc@...ox.com> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer
> <larry@...ryseltzer.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name.
> >> >
> >> >> Larry Seltzer
> >> >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> >> >
> >> > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to
> step
> >> > in and say something.
> >> >
> >> > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the
> Palestinian
> >> > people.
> >> > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today
> >> > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that
> made
> >> > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt.
> >> > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by
> the
> >> > British Mandate in 1920.  The region referred to as "Palestine" in
> >> > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan,
> >> > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries.  Until 1920, there
> >> > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country.
> >> > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians.
> >> > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the
> intent
> >> > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this
> doesn't
> >> > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians).  In 1947, the UN
> approved
> >> > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab.  In
> 1948,
> >> > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling
> itself
> >> > "Israel".  From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel:
> >> >
> >> > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly
> >> > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government
> >> > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it
> was
> >> > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and
> Jews.[51]
> >> > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan
> >> > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29,
> 1947,
> >> > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish.
> >> > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city  a corpus
> >> > separatum  administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its
> >> > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the
> Arab
> >> > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1,
> 1947
> >> > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab
> >> > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that
> these
> >> > attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations
> >> > with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to
> >> > escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a
> policy
> >> > of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic
> >> > subversion and psychological warfare.[55]
> >> >
> >> > On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the
> >> > Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel.
> The
> >> > following day five Arab countries  Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon
> and
> >> > Iraq invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56]
> >> > Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist
> the
> >> > invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and
> >> > temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established.
> Jordan
> >> > annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and
> >> > Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a
> member
> >> > of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000
> >> > Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the previous Arab
> >> > population, fled the country.[58] The fate of the Palestinian
> refugees
> >> > today is a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian
> >> > conflict.[59][60]
> >> >
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