Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:13:40 -0600
From: Miller Grey <vigilantgregorius@...il.com>
To: "Dexter, Ben" <Ben.Dexter@....gov.au>
Cc: Dave Kleiman <dave@...ekleiman.com>,
	Full Disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Seagate 7200.11 Drives attempted scam

...silence on the wire...

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Dexter, Ben <Ben.Dexter@....gov.au> wrote:

> Hi guys.
>
> Dave is a member of a forensics list I am on and asked me to post this
> response on his behalf (he is not a full disclosure list member). You
> can email him at dave@...ekleiman.com if you need to discuss further.
>
> Ben.
>
> ---------Begin message from Dave Kleiman----------
>
> Razi,
>
> You researching skills are astonishing.....maybe NOT!
>
>       >>>seagate.custkb.com != seagate.com<<<
>
> Really, what was your verification process?
>
>
>       >>>Seagate's knowledge base can be found at
> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/ <<<
>
> No that is where the link to Seagate's knowledge base is.
>
> Did you bother to check the link, of course not?  It leads here:
> http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/news.jsp?NewLang=en
>
> Did you bother to call their support number, of course not?
> 1-800-SEAGATE (1 800 732-4283), you would have heard all about the
> issue.
>
>
>       >>>Do you have any actual evidence to back up these wild claims?
> Besides the inquirer, of course (the source for the electronista
> article) and the _fake_ knowledgebase website<<
>
> Yes I do...the actual source of the article, the Seagate forum from the
> 16th of Jan. ""Seagate Community Forums: Internal Hard Drives : Internal
> (ATA and Serial ATA) drives : ANNOUNCEMENT: Firmware Issues""
> http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board?board.id=ata_drives  just click on
> the ""ANNOUNCEMENT: Firmware Issues"" it is right at the top.
>
> And, the knowledge base is real, but from someone with what appears to
> be your erudition and what would seem to be your knee-jerk reaction, you
> may not possess the skill set to figure that out.
>
> Stick to whatever it is you do well, whatever that is, but it seems to
> be obvious that it is probably not any type of information research.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Dave Kleiman - http://www.ComputerForensicExaminer.com
>
> ---------End message from Dave Kleiman----------
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Razi Shaban [mailto:razishaban@...il.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 January 2009 1:01 AM
> To: Full Disclosure
> Subject: [Full-disclosure] Seagate 7200.11 Drives attempted scam
>
>    On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Razi Shaban <razishaban@...il.com>
>    wrote:
>    > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Dave Kleiman
>    <dave@...ekleiman.com> wrote:
>    >> If you have Seagate 7200.11 Drives you should seriously consider
>    not using them for any valuable information storage, you might even
>    consider replacing them.
>    >>
>    >>
>    >>
>    >> The following information was provided to me by Scott
>    "ByteAssassin" Moulton:
>    >>
>    >> Seagate is now admitting a huge problem with 7200.11 Drives.
>    Seagate is picking up the tab for data recovery. I have known about
>    this problem and been teaching it in the class since the drives were
>    released and seen hundreds, not only Seagate's, but also Western
>    Digital and Hitachi. It's great to see them being responsible.
>    >>
>    >> There is a place to do the BIOS update.  I have a feeling the
>    problem is much more extensive than the firmware.  There are updates
>    on the list below to test and update. I will let you know more as I
>    discover it. However, I will tell you that Western Digital and
>    Hitachi have similar problems with drives failing. We will see what
>    that is in the future I guess.
>    >>
>    >> Seagate Barracuda drives failing en masse
>    >>
>    >>
>    http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/01/13/seagate.barracuda.fail
>    ures/
>    >>
>    >>
>    http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=2
>    07931
>    >>
>    >>
>    >>
>    >> Respectfully,
>    >>
>    >> Dave Kleiman - http://www.ComputerForensicExaminer.com
>    >> 4371 Northlake Blvd #314
>    >> Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410
>    >> 561.310.8801
>    >>
>    >
>    >
>    > Do you have any actual evidence to back up these wild claims?
>    > Besides the inquirer, of course (the source for the electronista
>    article) and the _fake_ knowledgebase website.
>    >
>    > seagate.custkb.com != seagate.com
>    >
>    >Seagate's knowledge base can be found at
> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/
>    >
>    > --
>    > Razi Shaban
>    >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Dave Kleiman <dave@...ekleiman.com>
> Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:26 PM
> Subject: RE: Seagate 7200.11 Drives
> To: Razi Shaban <razishaban@...il.com>
>
>
> shhhhhhhhhh do not tell anyone. myself and byteassassin have created a
> supermicro nix kernel that runs in the flash area of seagate drives,
> we can cause the rotational speed of a hard drive to triple, and then
> the platters shatter. we already have over 500K downloads, and at
> defcon this year we be able to take over millions of computers and
> show us controlling them during our presentation, and then bang
> millions of hard drives will all crash at once....permanently!
> i hope you are not one of those security research guys and try and
> turn us in........................
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> nub fails epicly.
>
> Regards,
> Razi Shaban
>
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