Message-ID: <cd51a8c60901221601q754c54c9oa4c287e2da5ae76b@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:01:21 +0200
From: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
To: j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk,
	"andrew.wallace" <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec
mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e.
baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions)

And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you
shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic
English).

That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily
(because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil
people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists).

But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security
related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related),
when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to
computer security_?



On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com> wrote:

> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli
> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something
> EVIL.
>
> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking
> brown noze.
>
>
> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
>
> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for
>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he
>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or
>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda
>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like
>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but
>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you
>> to jump off a bridge would you do it?
>>
>> Andrew
>> Intelligencer &
>> Founder of n3td3v
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider
>> <avri.schneider@...il.com> wrote:
>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.
>> >
>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> which propaganda ?
>> >>
>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.
>> >>
>> >> But i understand why now :
>> >>
>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html
>> >>
>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military
>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and
>> participating
>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. "
>> >>
>> >> Everything is clearer than ever.
>> >>
>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, <A.L.M.Buxey@...ro.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber
>> security
>> >>>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was
>> >>>> > setup.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into
>> technical
>> >>>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists
>> are
>> >>>> > created?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel
>> >>>
>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of
>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here
>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it
>> here).
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and
>> >>>> useful!
>> >>>
>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want
>> >>> (security related or not).
>> >>>
>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related
>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some
>> spam.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda,
>> or
>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options -
>> either a)
>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend
>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda).
>> >>>
>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by
>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a
>> certain
>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist
>> the
>> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js
>> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and
>> you are
>> >>> back with a readable FD.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being
>> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without
>> >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security').
>> >>>
>> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it
>> is),
>> >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is).
>> >>>
>> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy
>> >>> here.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ala
>> >>>>
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