full-disclosure - Re: Browser Fuzzer 2

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Message-ID: <dd979be40901311649q268a4d6an7558d0ac062e66c0@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:49:05 -0500
From: Pete Licoln <pete.licoln@...il.com>
To: Krakow Labs <krakowlabs@...il.com>, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Browser Fuzzer 2

Don't like it? Trash it.
I did.

But on the other side, you ask for comments for your fuzzers
I give somes constructive .
Don't like it ? stay blind & Trash it :)
Pete Licoln wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> I think this fuzzer is useless, and doesn't have any kind of innovation.
> This fuzzer acts as a cheap binary fuzzer, without any automation on
> the targeted browser, like your others fuzzers you've wrote.
> There's severals DOM CSS DHTML fuzzers written in JS way more
> powerfull, did you heard about them ?
>
> Next time  take some times before releasing such useless stuff.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> 2009/1/31 Krakow Labs <krakowlabs@...il.com <mailto:krakowlabs@...il.com>>
>
>     That is one point I would like to get across: fuzzing doesn't have
>     to be
>     and frequently isn't random, no matter how much the wikis copy its
>     'definition'. The fuzzing oracle is the heart of the fuzzing process,
>     and making sure it is adequate to check for bugs is, I feel, a key to
>     being successful when fuzzing. I understand that near complete
>     randomness can be effective as demonstrated with mangleme, etc, but I
>     rarely choose that approach when working on projects; I just do not
>     think of it as a huge benefit. And the number of fuzzing files is
>     limited to the functions and tags and to the fuzzing oracle, all of
>     which can be modified and rearranged. Information, information,
>     information :)
>
>     You did ask some good questions, thanks for your input.
>
>     webDEViL wrote:
>     > Hello Jeremy,
>     >
>     > I am in no way trying to criticise your work, just had a few
>     questions
>     > that I had to ask :)
>     >
>     > Your fuzzers are like meant to be run only once, cause pretty much
>     > everyone will have the same files created.
>     > Why isnt there any randomness in creating the fuzzed files?
>     > bf2[phase four] JS Process Complete (Final Count: 8004).
>     >
>     > Well I am saying that your fuzzer will die, in like a day, cause the
>     > number of files is finite and very few in number.
>     > Whats the point with such fuzzers being released to the community?
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > webDEViL
>     >
>     >
>     > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Krakow Labs
>     <krakowlabs@...il.com <mailto:krakowlabs@...il.com>
>     > <mailto:krakowlabs@...il.com <mailto:krakowlabs@...il.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Krakow Labs Development
>     >
>     >     Browser Fuzzer 2 (bf2) is a comprehensive web browser fuzzer
>     that
>     >     fuzzes
>     >     CSS, DOM, HTML and JavaScript.
>     >
>     >     bf2 is available @ www.krakowlabs.com
>     <http://www.krakowlabs.com> <http://www.krakowlabs.com>
>     >     <http://www.krakowlabs.com>
>     >
>     >     -KL
>     >
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