full-disclosure - Re: [NETRAGARD SECURITY ADVISORY] [Cambium Group, LLC. CAMAS Content Management System -- Multiple Critical Vulnerabilities][NETRAGARD-20070820]

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Message-ID: <108874.1235573952@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:59:12 -0500
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
To: Smoking Gun <pentesterkunt@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [NETRAGARD SECURITY ADVISORY] [Cambium Group,
	LLC. CAMAS Content Management System -- Multiple Critical
	Vulnerabilities][NETRAGARD-20070820]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:01:26 EST, Smoking Gun said:
> Snake oil at it's finest. You may recall Netragard has a pay for play
> scheme working where they never disclose any code. This works
> to anyone's advantage as a trump card when you think about it on
> a psychological warfare like scale. "We found a tumor somewhere
> in your body however, we're choosing not to tell you about how we
> found it, nor where it is."

You got that wrong in a subtle and important way.  What Kevin said:

> Proof of concept code exists but is not provided as to not increase CAMAS
> users overall risk levels.

isn't like the doctor telling you "We found a tumor in you but we won't tell
*you* what it is".  It's more like "We found a tumor, and we won't tell your
employer, because they might try to cancel your medical insurance when they
find out how much this is going to cost".

And *that* threat model (retaliation by employers/friends/society) is a
well-understood threat model, and is *why* medical records are in general
considered confidential.

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