full-disclosure - Re: [SCADASEC] 11. Re: SCADA Security

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Message-Id: <20090307235514.4B1822A83@smtp.telenor.se>
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 00:54:07 +0100
From: david <david@....se>
To: Smoking Gun <pentesterkunt@...il.com>, Michael Krymson <krymson@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [SCADASEC] 11. Re: SCADA Security -
 Software	fee's

----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----
Från: Smoking Gun <pentesterkunt@...il.com>
Skickat: den 23 februari 2009 17:28
Till: Michael Krymson <krymson@...il.com>
Kopia: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Ämne: Re: [Full-disclosure] [SCADASEC] 11. Re: SCADA Security - Software	fee's

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Michael Krymson <krymson@...il.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Smoking Gun <pentesterkunt@...il.com>
> wrote:
>>
> Blah blah gross personal speculation blah...
>
> At any rate, if CEO Cloe decides to hire a pen-tester for $1,000 and gets
> back a scan with some dumpy reports on it (sorry, it's not a SmokingGun
> report that shakes the ground and makes angels weep), where is the real
> breakdown here? Did she not get something in return? Was she underpaying and
> thus getting Crazy Eddie crap? Was her expectation skewed? Or maybe is her
> resultant declaration that her company is fully secure after that scan
> ludicrous?

The real breakdown here comes from Cloe soliciting the services of someone
who is labeling themselves an expert. This whole "Walmart" style penetration
tester in a box theme being promoted by underclued individuals and marketed
to the industry is devaluing the work many have worked hard to perfect. Many
have given countless hours, codes, write-ups, seminars you name it. There is
nothing wrong with making a euro, dollar, baht, don't mistake this but when
there are mission critical applications and institutions at hand, that buck
should take a backseat for the security of lives - or did you miss the subject
portion of SCADA Security.

-- 
Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for
it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated. - Sun Tzu

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