full-disclosure - Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires

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Message-ID: <2d6724810903131100x449d7ccv917bae4de5cc97c8@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:00:47 -0400
From: T Biehn <tbiehn@...il.com>
To: "Castigliola, Angelo" <ACastigliola@...m.com>
Cc: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires

More people should hijack machines and push updates to them if their
users are unable or unwilling.

First an Analogy:
If someone's letting money launders use their bank account to launder
money out of INACTION that's still illegal, the same SHOULD be true of
people who leave their systems unpatched.

These machines are negligently left open to be used in 'nefarious
criminal activity.'

Plan of Action:
It's your civic duty to write worms, hijack botnets and patch machines
with or without user consent.
This is absolutely moral holding to the various tests (is it self
defeating if -everyone- does it etc etc)
Just don't get caught doing it.

I'm disgusted by the imposition that you'd decry their actions for
being illegal when they were clearly moral and represent a net benefit
for society. Haven't you heard of this guy called Gandhi who didn't
subscribe to the arbitrary superficial morality provided by the word
of the law and only acted on what he knew to be moral?

It's time to elevate yourself out of your own mind-slime and into 2009.
We all still have a long way to go.

-Travis

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Castigliola, Angelo
<ACastigliola@...m.com> wrote:
> Very unorthodox and unethical.
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> Angelo Castigliola III
> EISRM - Application Security Architecture
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> Unum
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> acastigliola@...m.com
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> Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own personal opinions and do not
> represent my employer's view in any way.
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> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of James
> Matthews
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:10 AM
> To: Ivan .
> Cc: full-disclosure
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] BBC cybercrime probe backfires
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> I agree! Why can't another people hack into computers to show.... This is
> such BS and the BBC should be hit hard by what they did.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Ivan . <ivanhec@...il.com> wrote:
>> The BBC hacked into 22,000 computers as part of an investigation into
>> cybercrime but the move quickly backfired, with legal experts claiming
>> the broadcaster broke the law and security gurus saying the experiment
>> went too far.
>>
>>
>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/security/bbc-cybercrime-probe-backfires/2009/03/13/1236447465056.html
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