full-disclosure - Re: Major Greek bank sites with SSL vulnerable to XSS and open redirects

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Message-ID: <64483.1242028782@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:59:42 -0400
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
To: michaelslists@...il.com
Cc: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Major Greek bank sites with SSL vulnerable to
	XSS and open redirects

On Mon, 11 May 2009 16:19:49 +1000, silky said:
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@...rr.com> wrote:

> > Everything is insecure by default. There is no such thing as secure by
> > default. Those that assume there is are the first to be hacked.
> 
> cute (old) opinion, but fairly useless in practice.

Not useless at all.  I'll bet you that if you go look at banks that have
gotten hacked, at least 75 to 80 percent of them have "we thought the firewall
was secure by default" or similar failure.

You remember that little hack at TJX?  You think anybody actually *checked*
that they were deploying wide open unencrypted wireless, or somebody just
saw "supports WPA2" on the box and said "good enough, it's got WPA2, it's
secure"?

Even if you actually *find* a product that really *is* "secure by default"
out of the box, in practice there's usually *so* many configuration knobs
that can break that security that any "secure by default" is long gone
by the time you actually deploy...

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