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Message-ID: <72bf6d00907091114i27de0211vcd101d82c55395d0@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:14:23 -0500
From: Jon Janego <jonjanego@...il.com>
To: foofus@...fus.net, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: can someone please try and explain to me....

I'll respectfully disagree- the entire concept being defined as
"cyberwar" is based on the assumption that cyber attacks will be
government sponsored.  I'd argue that a 'guerilla' style organization
sowing havoc on the internet can be just as effective as a 'cyberwar'
operator as a government could be, maybe more so.

So while 'cyberwar' may be an alarmist term, just because it's not
from a government doesn't mean it's not a war-type activity.  The real
question is, just like the 'war on terrorism' - who are the operators
in the war?

Tech folks haven't even come to an agreement on what would really
constitute a 'cyberwar', so it's not surprising that the media
definitely isn't capable.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:56 AM, <foofus@...fus.net> wrote:
>> Why people call this so-called Korea DDoS a cyber war? Don't people know
>> how the Internet works yet?
>
> The problem isn't that people fail to understand how the Internet works
> (they do fail at this, but that's not the problem).  The problem is how
> exciting it is to use terms like "cyberwar."  In the words of a prominent
> researcher:
>
>   if [people shouting "cyberwar"] want to be taken seriously, they need
>   to start releasing proof to the mailing lists and name specific
>   intelligence agency's who are conducting the Cyberwar. I don't think
>   there is a cyberwar, there will be intelligencers probing the networks
>   for secrets, thats not a cyberwar. Cyberwar is something completely
>   different [...] Cyberwar *could* be real, *look at this*. Although
>   the truth is, we haven't seen a Cyberwar yet, it's still in the
>   imaginary dream book stage.
>
> Regardless of one's understanding of the Internet, getting to say "cyberwar"
> is just too tempting for lots of people to resist.
>
> --Foofus.
>
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