full-disclosure - Re: can someone please try and explain to me....

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Message-ID: <2d6724810907091405n218b1898h254d7799a8f08a13@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:05:27 -0400
From: T Biehn <tbiehn@...il.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: can someone please try and explain to me....

VK,
Obviously there are more than a few whitehats that can't actually do
any real work (redundant?). Who evidently want to keep the FUD to
manageable levels for job security reasons.
By the way: if you find security boring it might be time to switch hats...

-Travis

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:12:01 EDT, T Biehn said:
>> At first I was confused that a whitehat was decrying fear-mongering.
>> Then I realized; Whitehats love fear mongering but with some finesse,
>> lest anyone become fearful enough to actually create/implement secure
>> software/systems.
>
> I hope you realize that a fair number of whitehats actually *do* want people
> to get fearful enough to actually create secure stuff, because the more secure
> deployable stuff that's out there, the less time we have to spend on security.
> A lot of us have more job responsibilities than just security, and for us,
> it's a lot more gratifying to spend a day doing something that enables a user
> to get more done, than spending a day doing things that usually result in
> a user being able to get *less* done.
>
> Quite frankly, if every computer system suddenly became secure, I'd not be
> out of a job.  There would still be a quarter acre of supercomputers and
> servers and petabyte-scale disk systems across the hall, in need of all the
> other things a sysadmin needs to do besides just security. And most of those
> are more *fun* than security, too.
>
> Besides, I can get more bragging rights out of "I helped build the third
> fastest supercomputer in the world" than I can from "the third most secure
> computer".
>
> :)
>

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