Message-ID: <4A59F1B6.10107@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:22:46 -0400
From: Cance Consulting <cance.consulting@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: AntiAntiSec / Endgame

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The problem isn't that AntiSec are a bunch of kids with egos, it's that
they have no logic. Let's think about their message:

a. Stop publishing exploits  (ook fair enough, but if this stops,they
still get traded privately, leading to a small circle of people having
control of a large number of internet hosts).

b. Their mantra of "it's all about money" is two sided as I'm sure they
are compensated in some way for their time and effort in pulling off
this (pretty cool) feat.

c. They think that by spreading "fear" exploits and other security
related articles will stop popping up on the internet?! Why? Wouldn't
this activity of theirs only promote further full-disclosure and
awareness of security protocol?

Maybe it's just me, but I think they are trying to change a system which
exists more for educational reasons and they're trying trying to change
the minds of millions by posting images on Imageshack.

Cheers.

opt opt wrote:
> So today, I've learned:
> 
> 1. The government now writes threatening emails implying an abundance
> of illegal activity (which is odd considering the subject of the rant)
> 2. Tor doesn't work, even with a trusted endpoint (uh oh...)
> 3. Anti-sec is giving up valuable mirror time in the name of hacker evangelism
> 4. People still use undernet
> 
> Does anyone know a good security mailing list?
> 
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:03 AM, T Biehn<tbiehn@...il.com> wrote:
>> MIXED METAPHORS ABOUND. SHODDY EDITING, WRITING, PREMISE.
>>
>> YOU'D THINK THE ILLUMINATI / CIA / NSA / SKULL AND BONES / 'JEWS'
>> WOULD HAVE BETTER WRITERS THAN THIS.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:55 AM, AntiAnti Sec<antiantisec@...il.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Antisec,
>>>
>>> We regret to inform you that your movement will be short lived. You see,
>>> while you have stated that you would "rm everything", we can do much worse,
>>> and have. You seem to think that all of us are corporate people, but the
>>> security industry encompasses many, many fine folk, from the largest
>>> corporations, to the blackest of the black operation. We have seen things
>>> and done things in our careers that we can never say. We have used time on
>>> supercomputers that you have never, ever seen, much less heard of. In some
>>> of our worlds, the term "contractor" doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>> And we have subpoenas and guns.
>>>
>>> Gone are the days of rehabilitating criminals to lead a productive life. In
>>> the early days, we needed people like you. We needed talent, and we didn't
>>> care where we found it. Getting caught wasn't a "game over" moment for many,
>>> simply because those people taught us things. And we learned rapidly. The
>>> Internet is no longer a pet project, but essential to many folk's way of
>>> life. And we use it for communication, for business, and yes, even to
>>> protect little snots like yourselves.
>>>
>>> We no longer need you. We now have the skills in our ranks to perform the
>>> same magic that you do. We teach these skills to our military. The concepts
>>> of electronic warfare forged by you in the 1990s are now our Standard
>>> Operating Procedure, only 1000 times more in depth. We can exploit
>>> vulnerabilities in the name of this country, and we do. We protect what we
>>> were sworn to protect.
>>>
>>> This is your notice, antisec. You thought that you could get away with your
>>> little imagehack escapade. You think that hiding in a hushmail account will
>>> save you... who do you think owns hushmail? You think your friends are
>>> trustworthy. Look around you, and look again, and tell us who is now
>>> missing. This was not an accident. And it is sad that such talent had to go
>>> to waste, but you insisted.
>>>
>>> Your encryption will not help you, and your little phone calls have not gone
>>> unnoticed. Disposables don't work. We don't need warrants anymore, haven't
>>> you heard? Let's not even talk about your harddisk... it's not clean at
>>> all.  Even secure wiping of your files is no longer viable because we can
>>> get it all back now. We can prove your deeds, and we can put you where
>>> wastes of talent belong. And don't think that private TOR will save you, and
>>> don't think that stashing your toys works, we KNOW where they are. We KNOW
>>> where you are.
>>>
>>> And the best part? We didn't need to bring the might of the Republic down on
>>> you to know these things... one of your own told us all that we needed to
>>> know. Heed the words, "Look! and Look again!".
>>>
>>> Armed response teams are standing by. We will come get you when it's
>>> convienent for us. Some of us are early risers... and we get more done
>>> before 6AM than you could ever understand.
>>>
>>> One last thing... We can promise you won't end up being dubbed a
>>> "terrorist", because that is too easy for you. There is nothing more brutal
>>> in this country than a nice American prison, especially for skinny
>>> longhairs, and bookworms. We can promise that you live a nice long life in
>>> there, because we spend the money to keep you healthy. In the name of your
>>> debt to society, there is no way out.
>>>
>>> Your days are over. Remove everything, it only adds to the mountain of
>>> evidence we have already. And leave these folks alone, they are doing their
>>> jobs... instead of robbing hardworking Americans.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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