full-disclosure - Re: Ant-Sec - We are going to terminate Hackforums.net and Milw0rm.com

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Message-ID: <42752.1247766736@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:52:16 -0400
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
To: mrx <mrx@...pergander.org.uk>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Ant-Sec - We are going to terminate
	Hackforums.net and Milw0rm.com - New Apache 0-day exploit uncovered

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:41:02 BST, mrx said:

> ii) Backed up and mirrored the content so that they could be back up in
> 24 hours.

Strictly speaking, any site that gives a flying f**k in a rolling donut
about their availability should be doing this *anyhow*, even if they aren't
worried about getting hacked.

Statistically, you're more likely to hear the sound of a disk drive head going
into oxide-plow mode or the click-click-click of a dead servo platter than you
are being hacked.  And you're gonna want backups then.

And no, doing RAID isn't a cure-all.  If there's a fire, all the disks burn. If
there's a plumbing leak upstairs that spills zillions of gallons of water
through your hardware, all the disks spark and short out. Plus, I've seen
enough RAID controllers take a crap all over all the disks far too many times
in my career.

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