full-disclosure - Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street

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Message-ID: <351C1CDE56CA1FA6D2AC3502@utd65257.utdallas.edu>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:30:25 -0600
From: Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@...rr.com>
To: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street

--On Tuesday, November 03, 2009 22:52:28 -0600 Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:13:24 CST, Paul Schmehl said:
>> Of course, without a warrant they can't wiretap anything.  Furthermore
>> every warrant to wiretap has to be accompanied by evidence that justifies
>> the warrant and signed by a federal judge who agrees that there is
>> sufficient cause for the wiretap, and illegal wiretaps will not only get
>> your case thrown out of court but your butt thrown in jail as well.
>
> You're new here, aren't you? :)
>
> We're talking here about the FBI, which has had problems with their abuse
> of surveillance from J Edgar Hoover's early years up to the recent problems
> with abuses of NSLs.  And you expect us to believe they'll toe the line
> when using this surveillance ability?
>

No, nor did I state that.  I said that illegal wiretapping will get thrown out 
of court and the perpetrators jailed.  That's a separate issue from whether or 
not agents will all act within the law.

> Oh, and how much time did J Edgar spend in jail for his illegal wiretaps?
> And how much time will anybody spend in jail for the NSL abuses?

Depends on whether anyone decides to prosecute.

-- 
Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
are my own and not those of my employer.
*******************************************
"It is as useless to argue with those who have
renounced the use of reason as to administer
medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson

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