Message-ID: <303846.27282.qm@web24811.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:25:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Sam Haldorf <sahalderf@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Meet Kurt Greenbaum, Director of Social Media,
	St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Reports commenter to employer.

Feel free to share your feelings with Greenbaum's boss:

Kevin Mowbray
Phone: 314-340-8970
E-mail: kmowbray@...t-dispatch.com

--- mrx <mrx@...pergander.org.uk> schrieb am Fr, 20.11.2009:

Von: mrx <mrx@...pergander.org.uk>
Betreff: Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet Kurt Greenbaum, Director of Social Media, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Reports commenter to employer.
An: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Datum: Freitag, 20. November 2009, 0:16

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No problem regarding the personal post, I have made the same mistake myself.

I also see what you mean regarding the language of the privacy statement.
"unauthorised use" could be interpreted as any use that has not been given explicit approval before the fact.

Weasel words imho.

And Mr Holstein if this was the point you were trying to make, I accept it.

regards
mrx



dramacrat wrote:
> Sorry, forgot to reply-to-all.

> 2009/11/20 dramacrat <yirimyah@...il.com>
> 
>> They're ORs, unfortunately. The language is unclear but it seems to be one
>> of those infernal boilerplate pieces of shit that basically invalidate the
>> assurances as to privacy.
>>
>> You could still probably press the suit. "Unauthorised use" has recently
>> been defined and redefined, it's an evolving piece of law and if you have
>> the resources to get a jury trial they'll *want* to find in favor of the
>> plaintiff, which is more important than you might expect.
>>
>> 2009/11/20 mrx <mrx@...pergander.org.uk>
>>
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>>> Michael Holstein wrote:
>>>>> What Greenbaum did was against the privacy policy of the site:
>>>>>
>>>> You seem to be missing the part where the comment was removed (several
>>>> times) and re-posted.
>>>>
>>>>  From : http://www.stltoday.com/help/privacy-policy
>>>>
>>>> "..to protect against misuse or unauthorized use of our web sites"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Michael Holstein
>>>> Cleveland State University
>>>
>>> So what? Ban the IP address. Admittedly a childish comment but the site is
>>> hardly one that is frequented by children.
>>> imho Mr K. Greenbaum should be fired and sued.
>>>
>>> And Mr Holstein you seem to be using your quote above out of context...
>>>
>>> Compliance with Legal Process
>>> We may disclose personal information if we or one of our affiliated
>>> companies is required by law to disclose personal information, or if we
>>> believe in good faith that such action is necessary to comply with a law
>>> or some legal process, to protect or defend our rights and property, to
>>> protect against misuse or unauthorized use of our web sites or to protect
>>> the personal safety or property of our users or the public.
>>>
>>> INAL, however I ask where is the legal process in this matter?
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>> mrx
>>>
>>> - --
>>> I am not an expert, I have much to learn, I make mistakes.
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- --
I am not an expert, I have much to learn, I make mistakes.
My words are just opinions which may or may not reflect the truth.
Be kind to others, yet trust no one.

http://www.propergander.org.uk
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