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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:06:13 +1100
From: Jeff Williams <>
To: Shyaam <>,
Subject: Re: IE 0day for sale

If idefense pay 7000$ for a RCE on IE, it's possibly because they sell
theses bugs to the NSA, MOSSAD, MI10 ?

>>From my understanding, MS do not pay for any reported vulnerability, or
maybe i missed the "make a donation" icon on idefense website ?

2009/12/12 Shyaam <>

> :) Good one Valdis. That is what I was exactly trying to do.
> #1. If his intent was good, he would have sent it to the vendor and to the
> US Cert.
> #2. His aim is to get money:
>       a. Instead of selling it directly to black market and not getting any
> returns, or having some legal agency stepping onto his doors he could as
> well sell it to these companies.
>       b. These companies DO NOT sell stuff to BLACK MARKET. Straighten your
> facts before you accuse any of the below:
> zdi,idefense,securiteam,immunity,etc. They have better things to do than to
> sell it off to the bad guys.
> Besides, many people have that kind of a notion only because there are many
> hollywood movie fanatics out there, who suspect every single entity around
> you.
> Thanks for your creative response though :). You really cracked me up :)
> Shyaam
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:31 AM, <> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:13:52 EST, Jeff Williams said:
>> > zdi,idefense,securiteam,immunity,etc is a front, your exploit will
>> anyways
>> > end up on the blackmarket by selling it to theses company.
>> > How can you be that naive ?
>> You're talking to somebody willing to sell to the highest bidder on F-D.
>> Draw your own conclusions about whether they actually care if it ends up
>> on
>> the black market.

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