full-disclosure - Re: All China, All The Time

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Message-Id: <2DF4C966-7FCF-4733-907A-C76457B6A142@doxpara.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:21:29 -0500
From: Dan Kaminsky <dan@...para.com>
To: Marc Maiffret <marc@...cmaiffret.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: All China, All The Time

If it's stupid and it works, it isn't stupid.



On Jan 15, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Marc Maiffret <marc@...cmaiffret.com>  
wrote:

> Todd, have you verified this "encryption" specifically the statement  
> by McAfee:
> "One of the malicious programs opened a remote backdoor to the
> computer, establishing an encrypted covert channel that masqueraded as
> an SSL connection to avoid detection."
>
> I assume by masquerade they mean the fact it is communicating over
> port 443 with some simple XOR'd bytes to form commands for performing
> various actions ranging from process to file manipulation and updating
> etc...
>
> There are by far better exploits and malware in the world and used
> even by joe botnet operators than this IE0day and malware.
>
> -Marc
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:57 PM, r00t <r00t@...icit.org> wrote:
>> Can you explain how this is sophisticated.  It looks to me like most
>> decent malware samples I've RE'd:
>>
>> The result: triple encrypted shell code which downloads multiple
>> encrypted binaries used to drop an encrypted payload on a target  
>> machine
>> which then establishes an encrypted SSL channel to connect to a  
>> command
>> and control network.
>>
>> If they are so sophisticated and organized, then why do they  
>> continually
>> get noticed shortly after the attack.  A major element that you  
>> fail to
>> realize about these so called sophisticated attacks is stealth and
>> persistence, which this attack lacks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/15/10 12:33 PM, Densmore, Todd wrote:
>>> Here is my 2 cents on both Google and iiScan
>>>
>>> http://www.communities.hp.com/securitysoftware/blogs/spilabs/archive/2010/01/15/china-google-and-web-security.aspx
>>>
>>> ~todd
>>>
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