Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:06:23 +0000
From: "intel unit" <n3td4v@...h.ai>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring
n3td3v's 0days and commenting.
Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech
who knows Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly
samwich amirite?


Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk?

We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although
there have been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us.

For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to
ask, is banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability?

Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to
the public for over a year now.

We don't have anywhere we can post information.

Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security &
intelligence groups in the UK from posting?

We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where there
are plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list, but no
actual intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been researching
or anything like that.

A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security
professionals in jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v
group, banned from making announcements relating to national
security matters.

A whole year of no information getting out to the security industry
about the vulnerabilities in national security and other research
that we've been getting upto.

None of that has been post, its all been supressed.

By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the
largest security groups in the United Kingdom.

We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the
wrong, we only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group
from people who were obviously wanting an argument.

We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious about
security & intelligence.

We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to
be treated like that.

It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a risk
to national security.

Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on
the mailing list.

And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an
organisation as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list,
its a risk to national security.

We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the mailing
list we've been banned from, and we don't give out any signals
intelligence about what we are getting upto, we're very careful
about that.

The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and
intelligence group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing
list and reading our emails.

Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000
and more researchers, security consultants and many others.

Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national
security issue? Of course it is.

National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain
at risk... because the information flow has been cut off.

Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man
will need to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright.

He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on
purpose, I don't think he cares about national security.

Can he live with himself?

We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year,
we've held security conferences with our members and other stuff
and remain frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating
with the security industry.

Yours faithfully,

n3td3v security
& intelligence group
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Charset: UTF8
Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify
Version: Hush 3.0

wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLdX8ACgkQwGoky+I7EouDgAP5AUjZ2+mKCx4dduWJlNWgAN8IwnkL
PqokbvRhGDeHoWCBWeTjqoYxh49Z2fzA4EIcrtmL7miGfXicLHWJyBoSriMUFL97IYe3
hAziWzbIanVTbqftrz1ayRVx0k3vdu/5Hwocda6lCmgivdLjWhrL0UaKby3LQbc1nBqB
mCK69YQ=
=xM2C
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

_______________________________________________
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/

Powered by blists - more mailing lists