Message-ID: <3af3d47c1003010116l607ac758nc5bf71122b9eed8d@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:16:17 +0100
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: "McGhee, Eddie" <Eddie.McGhee@....com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

Boring?
Amusing more likely.

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:53 AM, McGhee, Eddie <Eddie.McGhee@....com> wrote:

> Come on mate seriously its getting boring, if any serious security threats
> are out there then drop the info and man up, stop with the bullshit of
> making netdev a poor internet meme, because that's all it is..
>
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> full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of intel unit
> Sent: 01 March 2010 08:06
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole
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> John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring n3td3v's 0days
> and commenting.
> Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech who knows
> Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly samwich amirite?
>
>
> Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk?
>
> We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although there have
> been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us.
>
> For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to ask, is
> banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability?
>
> Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to the
> public for over a year now.
>
> We don't have anywhere we can post information.
>
> Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security & intelligence
> groups in the UK from posting?
>
> We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where there are
> plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list, but no actual
> intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been researching or anything
> like that.
>
> A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security professionals in
> jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v group, banned from making
> announcements relating to national security matters.
>
> A whole year of no information getting out to the security industry about
> the vulnerabilities in national security and other research that we've been
> getting upto.
>
> None of that has been post, its all been supressed.
>
> By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the largest
> security groups in the United Kingdom.
>
> We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the wrong, we
> only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group from people who were
> obviously wanting an argument.
>
> We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious about
> security & intelligence.
>
> We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to be
> treated like that.
>
> It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a risk to
> national security.
>
> Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on the
> mailing list.
>
> And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an organisation
> as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list, its a risk to national
> security.
>
> We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the mailing list
> we've been banned from, and we don't give out any signals intelligence about
> what we are getting upto, we're very careful about that.
>
> The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and intelligence
> group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing list and reading our
> emails.
>
> Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000 and more
> researchers, security consultants and many others.
>
> Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national security
> issue? Of course it is.
>
> National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain at
> risk... because the information flow has been cut off.
>
> Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man will need
> to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright.
>
> He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on purpose,
> I don't think he cares about national security.
>
> Can he live with himself?
>
> We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year, we've
> held security conferences with our members and other stuff and remain
> frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating with the security
> industry.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> n3td3v security
> & intelligence group
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