Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:53:01 +0000
From: "intel unit" <n3td4v@...h.ai>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, eddie.mcghee@....com
Subject: Re: full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

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back off kid

"n3td3v" is trying to save lives here

yahoo messenger has 0days. now if gadi evron and the mossad were to
get onto that, it wouldn't be a good thing, now would it?

On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:53:53 +0000 "McGhee, Eddie"
<Eddie.McGhee@....com> wrote:
>Come on mate seriously its getting boring, if any serious security
>threats are out there then drop the info and man up, stop with the
>bullshit of making netdev a poor internet meme, because that's all
>it is..
>
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>From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-
>disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of intel unit
>Sent: 01 March 2010 08:06
>To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>Subject: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence
>blackhole
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>John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring
>n3td3v's 0days and commenting.
>Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech
>who knows Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly
>samwich amirite?
>
>
>Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk?
>
>We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although
>there have been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us.
>
>For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to
>ask, is banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability?
>
>Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to
>the public for over a year now.
>
>We don't have anywhere we can post information.
>
>Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security &
>intelligence groups in the UK from posting?
>
>We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where
>there are plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list,
>but no actual intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been
>researching or anything like that.
>
>A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security
>professionals in jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v
>group, banned from making announcements relating to national
>security matters.
>
>A whole year of no information getting out to the security
>industry about the vulnerabilities in national security and other
>research that we've been getting upto.
>
>None of that has been post, its all been supressed.
>
>By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the
>largest security groups in the United Kingdom.
>
>We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the
>wrong, we only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group
>from people who were obviously wanting an argument.
>
>We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious
>about security & intelligence.
>
>We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to
>be treated like that.
>
>It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a
>risk to national security.
>
>Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on
>the mailing list.
>
>And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an
>organisation as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list,
>its a risk to national security.
>
>We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the
>mailing list we've been banned from, and we don't give out any
>signals intelligence about what we are getting upto, we're very
>careful about that.
>
>The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and
>intelligence group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing
>list and reading our emails.
>
>Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000
>and more researchers, security consultants and many others.
>
>Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national
>security issue? Of course it is.
>
>National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain
>at risk... because the information flow has been cut off.
>
>Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man
>will need to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright.
>
>He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on
>purpose, I don't think he cares about national security.
>
>Can he live with himself?
>
>We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year,
>we've held security conferences with our members and other stuff
>and remain frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating
>with the security industry.
>
>Yours faithfully,
>
>n3td3v security
>& intelligence group
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