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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:03:19 -0500 From: "McGhee, Eddie" <Eddie.McGhee@....com> To: intel unit <n3td4v@...h.ai>, "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> Subject: Re: full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole Give yourself a break, schizoid. -----Original Message----- From: intel unit [mailto:n3td4v@...h.ai] Sent: 01 March 2010 14:53 To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; McGhee, Eddie Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 back off kid "n3td3v" is trying to save lives here yahoo messenger has 0days. now if gadi evron and the mossad were to get onto that, it wouldn't be a good thing, now would it? On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:53:53 +0000 "McGhee, Eddie" <Eddie.McGhee@....com> wrote: >Come on mate seriously its getting boring, if any serious security >threats are out there then drop the info and man up, stop with the >bullshit of making netdev a poor internet meme, because that's all it >is.. > >-----Original Message----- >From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:full- >disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of intel unit >Sent: 01 March 2010 08:06 >To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk >Subject: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring n3td3v's >0days and commenting. >Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech who >knows Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly samwich >amirite? > > >Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk? > >We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although there >have been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us. > >For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to ask, >is banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability? > >Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to the >public for over a year now. > >We don't have anywhere we can post information. > >Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security & intelligence >groups in the UK from posting? > >We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where there are >plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list, but no actual >intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been researching or >anything like that. > >A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security professionals >in jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v group, banned from >making announcements relating to national security matters. > >A whole year of no information getting out to the security industry >about the vulnerabilities in national security and other research that >we've been getting upto. > >None of that has been post, its all been supressed. > >By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the largest >security groups in the United Kingdom. > >We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the wrong, >we only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group from people >who were obviously wanting an argument. > >We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious about >security & intelligence. > >We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to be >treated like that. > >It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a risk to >national security. > >Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on the >mailing list. > >And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an >organisation as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list, its a >risk to national security. > >We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the mailing >list we've been banned from, and we don't give out any signals >intelligence about what we are getting upto, we're very careful about >that. > >The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and >intelligence group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing list >and reading our emails. > >Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000 and >more researchers, security consultants and many others. > >Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national security >issue? Of course it is. > >National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain at >risk... because the information flow has been cut off. > >Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man will >need to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright. > >He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on >purpose, I don't think he cares about national security. > >Can he live with himself? > >We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year, we've >held security conferences with our members and other stuff and remain >frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating with the security >industry. > >Yours faithfully, > >n3td3v security >& intelligence group >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Charset: UTF8 >Note: This signature can be verified at >https://www.hushtools.com/verify >Version: Hush 3.0 > >wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLdX8ACgkQwGoky+I7EouDgAP5AUjZ2+mKCx4dduWJlNWgAN8Iwnk >L >PqokbvRhGDeHoWCBWeTjqoYxh49Z2fzA4EIcrtmL7miGfXicLHWJyBoSriMUFL97IYe >3 >hAziWzbIanVTbqftrz1ayRVx0k3vdu/5Hwocda6lCmgivdLjWhrL0UaKby3LQbc1nBq >B >mCK69YQ= >=xM2C >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuL1M0ACgkQwGoky+I7Eou5HwP/b8NMCeO+QHm2SZ8ysagy2MkidJ9Q TdJ08Kh+2RmK5M7LKCPm5+D8fZPNvHF01g36Y/n3JB/K3tMoGthc9uGOL/swE1a/douN 5j8GBaXJW9Phjr8K6Ucq0iyL7Me/PEEXSyx5op0GdlYJ6c6O2bz0X5vl/fM8I5WRAQIu 3JwZmaw= =XXyz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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