full-disclosure - Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds

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Message-ID: <983618.93143.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:54:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shaqe Wan <sha8e@...oo.com>
To: Michel Messerschmidt <lists@...hel-messerschmidt.de>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds

Michel,

Sorry, I didn't understand your first question!

Regarding your 2nd question. You won't get compliant if you update your AV on a annually basis. You shall fail the quarter check done by an QSA(s). So first check is not available. For me if the companies staff is well educated and a we have a good IR team, plus the other goodies you mentioned, then for sure I shall go with selection #2 :)

I hate these rules, but really they are something enforced on us. And without them our business can't be done. Or does someone here suggest we close our shops/companies and go home just because we dislike/disagree/hate the PCI Compliance requirements? 

I think that its not a bad to implement these requirements to get compliant by these companies, and then do what we think is the best. I.e, develop a more security policy to work on top of the PCI or vise versa. Get compliant then go further.

BTW: I hope your able to understand my point, as my English seems to be bad :(

Regards,

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From: Michel Messerschmidt <lists@...hel-messerschmidt.de>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 06:02:48AM -0700, Shaqe Wan wrote:
> I am not stating that PCI is good in no way, but I am saying that its a MUST for companies dealing with CC. And in a windows environment, an AV is important. 

Did you consider that an anti-virus may actually be the worst security 
solution for certain threats because it allows companies not to think 
about security while providing insufficient protection? 

What's your choice:
Company A installs an anti-virus and updates it regularly (BTW regularly 
includes once a year).
Company B has a recovery concept, incident response team, vulnerability
monitoring, patch management, NIDS, security training but no anti-virus.

> He probably thought that I am with the rules of PCI, or that I don't have any idea that the world is not just WINDOWS !!!

No, I don't think so.

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