full-disclosure - Re: NuralStorm Webmail Multiple Vulnerabilities

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Message-ID: <68816.1279199803@localhost>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:16:43 -0400
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
To: Pavel Kankovsky <peak@...o.troja.mff.cuni.cz>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: NuralStorm Webmail Multiple Vulnerabilities

On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:44:57 +0200, Pavel Kankovsky said:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, musnt live wrote:
> 
> > Performing security research and disclosure of projects over 8 years
> > old is stupid [...]
> 
> If people spent more time studying mistakes made 8 years ago (or even
> more than 50 years ago (*)) they would not repeat them today as 
> often as they do.
> 
> (*) In-band signalling in telephone networks.

Feel free to elucidate a *feasible* way to have deployed out-of-band signaling
on the installed copper-pair base back then. Also, compare the *actual* costs
and losses due to phreakers snagging free service due to in-band signaling to
the eventual cost of upgrading every single central office to something that
supported out-of-band.

Maybe those bell-heads weren't so dumb...

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