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Message-ID: <4CAF3B0D.1080108@infiltrated.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:38:53 -0400 From: "J. Oquendo" <sil@...iltrated.net> To: Jonathan Kamens <jik@...ens.us>, "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> Subject: Re: WikiLeaks Jonathan Kamens wrote: > J. is not so sanguine about the mission of Wikileaks and/or how well it > fulfills it and/or how important it is for protecting our lives and > liberties. As we see from this comment: > How well it protects who's liberties. Show me some factual information on "where it saved anything for anyone." Or please explain to me and perhaps the thousands of soldiers from ALL SORTS of countries in Afghanistan, etc, how its protecting them by outing information with regards to military operations. Give me a break, I've been there, done that and to be honest, I grew up a while ago so spare the "give me Wikileaks or give me death" speech. Wikileaks wasn't the first, nor will it be the last. > In any case, if I'm right that this is the kind of "security issue" that > J. was referring to, then I agree with others who have said that this > discussion does not belong on full-disclosure, and this will be my first > and last message on the topic. > > 1) Security regarding network and or computing related capabilities, contexts, etc.... There is no purpose to the initial message and or thread 2) Security regarding "wikileaks" defending against ANYTHING other than someone's own pockets... Is also irrelevant. Perception and reality are two different equations to any interpretation of "fact/story/etc." while you and others like you believe "Wikileaks! - Defender of Justice" I see "Wikiwhore - Take the money and run" Again, been there done that when I ran, Politrix way before wikileaks became a site, been there done that with JYA/Cryptome, been there done that with J Orlin Grabbe (RIP) and the list goes on. Spare me and the list the dramatics. -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP, CPT "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett 227C 5D35 7DCB 0893 95AA 4771 1DCE 1FD1 5CCD 6B5E http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5CCD6B5E _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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