full-disclosure - Re: Getting Off the Patch

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Message-Id: <F7BFFE4F-8B0B-4B2D-B7EC-0447759B496E@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:53:44 -0800
From: Zach C <fxchip@...il.com>
To: "lists@...com.org" <lists@...com.org>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Getting Off the Patch

Hmm. So you propose other measures of security as a way of circumventing the requirement of patching vulnerable software. That's nice, but it occurs to me that the vulnerable software is still vulnerable, and sandboxing (as you mentioned in an example) isn't always possible or feasible -- maybe it requires a code change, who knows. I see you mention the time it takes to test patches and their effect on your workflow, but I would figure an equal or greater amount of time would then need to be spent on other solutions as well -- and even when those other solutions are implemented, the software that you're doing all this to is still vulnerable, and likely in a way that such measures can't really prevent all that well (code theft, etc).

Am I mistaken? I thought I got all that right. I haven't read the OSSTMM 3 yet, granted (it's on my to-do list), but I would think that it's still worth doing all that -- just that disregarding patches entirely in favor of this isn't the solution either, which is probably not what you're saying. :) 

On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Pete Herzog <lists@...com.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Here's a new article on how and why you may want to stop patching your 
> software and take a new approach to your security.
> 
> "So if patching is a tactic towards a particular security strategy, 
> how can that be bad? I never said it was all bad. There are reasons 
> where patching makes sense just like there are reasons to get a kick 
> from a cup of coffee, get kicked by a shot of tequila, or spray stuff 
> up your nose to breathe easier for 1.5 seconds. Yes, for the record, I 
> am comparing patching to nasal spray."
> 
> Read it here:
> 
> https://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/10813-Getting-Off-the-Patch.html
> 
> Sincerely,
> -pete.
> 
> -- 
> Pete Herzog - Managing Director - pete@...com.org
> ISECOM - Institute for Security and Open Methodologies
> www.isecom.org - www.osstmm.org
> www.hackerhighschool.org - www.badpeopleproject.org
> 
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