full-disclosure - Re: Vulnerabilities in *McAfee.com

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Message-ID: <50327312.8103561301507103844.JavaMail.root@zcs-mbs03.it.mtu.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:45:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Sears <rdsears@....edu>
To: noloader@...il.com
Cc: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Vulnerabilities in *McAfee.com

Seriously. I gotta say I feel like people at Cenzic (and Mcafee for that matter), if anyone should understand that a XSS should really only be construed a 'criminal act' if it's indeed used to attack someone. If a group is taking the time out of their day to find and disclose issues to Mcafee, they should probably be thankful. What about finding a vulnerability in Mcafee's virus scanner? Could that be construed as a 'criminal act' if they disclose it? Where do you draw the line?

Basically this sort of thing pushes the community into silence until something truly criminal happens. I'm not saying give anyone massive amounts of credit for publishing a few XSS bugs (because there's millions of them out there), but don't label them as a criminal for trying to help. That's just idiotic IMO.

If you run an enterprise level solution for antivirus AND web vulnerability testing, the community understands that it's a process not unlike any other. There will be bugs, but it only demolishes the image of Mcafee to see them handle it like this in particular. If they would have been appreciative about it, and promptly fixed their website (or at the very least maintained friendly contact) this incident would have pretty much gone un-noticed.

Look at LastPass as an example. 

http://blog.lastpass.com/2011/02/cross-site-scripting-vulnerability.html

They had someone poking at their site, who managed to find a XSS bug using CRLF injections. They were appreciative of the find, 2.5 hrs later the issue was fixed, and there was that blog post about exactly what they were going to do about it. They took full responsibility for the fact that THEIR coding was to blame, and basically said 'This is what happened, and this is why it will probably never happen again'. This spoke hugely to me (as I'm sure it did the rest of the community) because it shows a company that's willing to admit it made a mistake, as opposed to sitting on their haunches and blaming people for looking for these sorts of bugs. Oh and not every customer of their service has to pay massive licensing fees, as there's a free version as well. In my mind at least this equates to a company that cares more about their customers that don't pay a single dime, then a company who forces people to pay massive amounts of coin for shaky automated scanning and services. That's just the way I see it though. 

Someone's gotta tell the emperor he has no clothes on.

Ryan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader@...il.com>
To: "YGN Ethical Hacker Group" <lists@...g.net>
Cc: "full-disclosure" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:05:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Vulnerabilities in *McAfee.com

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:44 AM, YGN Ethical Hacker Group
<lists@...g.net> wrote:
> According to xssed.com,  there are two remaining XSS issues:
>
> https://kb.mcafee.com/corporate/index?page=content&id="; alert(1); //
> https://kc.mcafee.com/corporate/index?page=content&id="; alert(1); //
>
>
> You guys know our disclosed issues are very simple and can easily be
> found through viewing HTML/JS source codes and simple Google Hacking
> (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22%3C%25+Dim++site%3Adownload.mcafee.com).
>
> However,  it was criticized as 'illegal break-in' by Cenzic's CMO,
> http://www.cenzic.com/company/management/khera/,  according to Network
> World News editor - Ellen Messmer.  Thus, the next target is Cenzic
> web site. Let's see how strong the Kung-Fu of Cenzic HailStorm scanner
> is.
Too funny.... I wonder is Aaron Barr is consulting for Cenzic.

Jeff

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