Message-ID: <BANLkTimnW1P0xJj6eoEHBQ36b0pCOzX=zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:15:56 -0500
From: adam <adam@...sy.net>
To: secn3t@...il.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: POC for a simple gmail/possible code
 injection into html wich can be executed in an email,
 i will make the PoC code and explain how here and now...

I'm not sure why you insist on continuing this, but you're not really
helping your case.

The bottom line is that it's an intentional feature. That is why it A)
consistently works and B) works across most mail clients.

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:46 PM, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com>wrote:

> upset...lma...
> you had NO idea before you fool...
>
> now you finally work it out... after flaming me..and , thats a
> feature...rightttttt... thats why i see emails, covered in
> links,....daily...and, it is ommal...
> your a fool.
>
> and show the email instead of hiding the thing..
> idiot.
> what major exploit ?
> you still have not even worked it out properly.. fool.
>
>
>
>
> On 12 June 2011 13:44, adam <adam@...sy.net> wrote:
>
>> So much for that Ryan guy "editing" secn3t's emails. He *just* sent me
>> this because he's completely upset over his "major exploit" turning out to
>> be a "simple feature" :(
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:40 PM, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Only took you , what 15 flame emails.... and, i have UNsubbed from list,
>>> and will NOT be posting nor ccing it.
>>> screw yourself.
>>> you wanted Fd , now you have 1 less Fd :)
>>> bye!
>>> and, your domain, papsy.net... is going down for maintenance i
>>> believe....someone just told me.. idk..
>>> you should not abuse ppl, before looking into the actual email, why would
>>> there be x41's in it.. i am guessing you have not studied the other side,
>>> wich is hyperlink with OUT html...
>>> there is many ways to code inject.,... its called, make a nice colorful
>>> email...with a bad link.
>>> now fuckoff retard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12 June 2011 13:37, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> there is ANOTHER method idiot....
>>>>
>>>> ut, you wont figue it :)
>>>>
>>>> and how ?
>>>> what if made a damn email with ALL text as a bad-link...and, say you
>>>> open it, and, just happen to accidnetally hover and, click.. wich, many ppl
>>>> do... it is not some spam email with a link, and NO it is NOT a feature..
>>>> idiot again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12 June 2011 13:34, adam <adam@...sy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> #1 - No one has replied since I reproduced your "proof of concept."
>>>>>
>>>>> #2 - Even if they had, you're replying directly to me - not the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> #3 - None of that is necessary. Type in text, highlight it and then
>>>>> click the anchor/link icon. From there, you can insert the target URL (and
>>>>> use the text of your choice). This is possible across most (all?) mail
>>>>> clients, as well as forums. It's an intentional feature that let's you
>>>>> specify anchor text.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming you're using a mail client that doesn't allow that (which I'd
>>>>> find very hard to believe that it has an anchor/link icon and doesn't have
>>>>> that feature) but even if that were the case: who is really vulnerable here
>>>>> (and to what? specifying anchor text != code injection).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:29 PM, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> now, you guys loose.... see why you should NOT flame people...
>>>>>> now, try find the REAL problem, wich, exists NOt in server...
>>>>>> anyhow.. have fun flaming ppl...
>>>>>> you finally work it out, then your all nice...
>>>>>> screw you.
>>>>>> and, screw your domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 13:28, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is what i tried to explain...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> enter text, darken it, and then link , i said this 3 times..yet one
>>>>>>> person managed to finally do it, after having tospell it.
>>>>>>> no , i am, not a smartarse. and the other method, i should just have
>>>>>>> left out.
>>>>>>> now, nomore fd for me,.
>>>>>>> thanks,.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 13:25, adam <adam@...sy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason why no one understood your ground-breaking vulnerability
>>>>>>>> (broken English aside) is because it's a *feature*. Whether you're
>>>>>>>> being a smartass right now or not is irrelevant, being that my email
>>>>>>>> generated the exact same thing as yours did (view source on both of them).
>>>>>>>> The difference is, you're doing some backspace *trick* whereas I'm
>>>>>>>> entering text, highlighting it and then clicking the link icon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Congratulations on wasting everyone's time, they were right to have
>>>>>>>> abandoned this thread from the start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:20 PM, -= Glowing Doom =- <
>>>>>>>> secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wow, ONE person finally can do it, after only having top basically
>>>>>>>>> SPELL it for you.. why did you not do it from the start >????
>>>>>>>>> Lame team.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry but, have fun.. I wont be cc'd, I will just filter all of the
>>>>>>>>> fd :)
>>>>>>>>> BYE!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 13:16, adam <adam@...sy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You do realize you're still going to be CC'd, don't you?<http://www.google.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And OH MY GOD, my text somehow became a clickable link. Did you
>>>>>>>>>> guys see that? Did you see my ground breaking exploit? I demand your respect
>>>>>>>>>> right this second!@
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, -= Glowing Doom =- <
>>>>>>>>>> secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> done.. bye!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 13:12, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet i now stop... enjoy your pathetic,useless luist.. i will now
>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 13:09, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here again....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will write a sentence now, and, i will just copy, so it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'darkened' text , then with NO backspace just leave the text darkened, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> goto 'link' , and enter a link.. the text will turn to red.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (this is the easiest way to reproduce it...)<http://www.haxxor-NOT.bs>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 13:07, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should have said just 'copy, then hit link... because the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other one, is actually VERY hard to explain..but yes... backspace... has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bug with emails. Is this so hard for 500000 ppl to understand ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am really shocked at the brubbish talk i have copped from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 13:06, -= Glowing Doom =- <secn3t@...il.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do the research... then call yourself a 'team'...please :s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PoC, is easy as hell to reproduce. I am shocked a team,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot do it..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the easy one wich is just copy/backspace, and, hit link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and enter a link!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 12:52, Haxxor Security <h@...r.se> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I (painfully tried to) understand it, secn3t can fool his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own email client to create malformed links by pressing backspace...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/6/12 adam <adam@...sy.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the end of the day, you're going to be treated like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> child as long as you continue to type like one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The entertaining part for me is how each of your replies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicts a previous one. According to you, this *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vulnerability* *has existed for years*. And also according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to you, the reason why the original email was filled with spelling errors is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it *was rushed out due to you being "awake" at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6AM.* Do you see the inconsistency between those two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statements? Your response to Christian also indicated that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * **didn't just discover this*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF this is an old vulnerability and IF you've known about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it for an extended period of time - WHY did you have to post it right when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you did? It's old, you've known about it for a while, it's existed for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, yet it couldn't wait until later in the day? It couldn't wait until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you had time to skim over the email and correct any spelling/grammar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistakes? It absolutely had to be posted right then and there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:14 PM, -= Glowing Doom =- <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thats why i the people who do understand it, can see that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is there... yes, VERY hard to expalin, id LOVE to see you try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 June 2011 12:11, adam <adam@...sy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, pretending that we [the readers] are somehow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at fault here (for not understanding) isn't going to get you very far. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only thing consistent in this entire thread is that people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *kind of* want to know what you're talking about, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't able to due to the poor writing style and spelling/grammar errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should be noted that no one is being anal about typos,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fully understand that people make mistakes. The difference is that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears you didn't even so much as proof read the original email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:04 PM, phocean <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0x90@...cean.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi n3td3v... oops!... secn3t (that is close),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry but I don't understand anything to this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each of your emails is such a pain to read, that I stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are all busy and don't want to take 20 min to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decipher your writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the risk that it is not deserving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please clarify and give consistent technical facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/06/2011 03:33, -= Glowing Doom =- a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > This is NOT coded..  the PoC i am explaining, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > copyying text,then using a sequence of keys, to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sentence/s, appear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > This code is not what shows up when it is dissected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It shows up with many x41 all over the email when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is done properly .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 12 June 2011 11:29, Christian Sciberras <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uuf6429@...il.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:uuf6429@...il.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     For those lazy enough to search:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/The_CSRSS_Backspace_Bug_still_works_in_windows_2003_sp1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     Excerpt:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     Basicaly just compile this and you will get a 100%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor usage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     by the compiled exploit and Csrss.exe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     #include <stdio.h>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     int main(void)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     while(1)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     printf("\t\t\b\b\b\b\b\b");
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     return 0;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     How this helps in sending spam is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Jeffrey Walton <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noloader@...il.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     <mailto:noloader@...il.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:06 PM, -= Glowing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doom =-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         <secn3t@...il.com <mailto:secn3t@...il.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         > It is now, over 1yr old atleast and exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in riched20.dll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         > This PoC info is over for me also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         Microsoft had problems with a backspace in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. Search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         "CSRSS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         Backspace Bug".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         > [SNIP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >         Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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