full-disclosure - Re: Encrypted files and the 5th amendment

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Message-ID: <007301cc40f3$bcc61330$36523990$@net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:28:01 -0400
From: "phil" <jabea@...ea.net>
To: "'Tim'" <tim-security@...tinelchicken.org>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Encrypted files and the 5th amendment

If they can't legislate to get the key, they will restrict the use of crypto
api to weaker encryption maybe, just my .2c

They will sentence you for not cooperate with'em, and at the same time they
will try to crack your file, and if they happen to crack it you will get
sentenced for something else. The 'double' sentence will make people think
before not giving the key.

phil

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[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] De la part de Tim
Envoyé : 12 juillet 2011 19:23
À : Thor (Hammer of God)
Cc : full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Objet : Re: [Full-disclosure] Encrypted files and the 5th amendment

> Yeah, I'm sure there are ways to draw as little attention as
> possible, but I also agree with you that in the scope of the
> investigation, it's not going to take a genius to see that there is
> something wrong about available size...  However, evidence by
> exclusion is not admissible.

Interesting.  Hadn't thought about that...

> But again, the "I forgot" defense is very hard to prove against as
> well.  What we don't want is a path to where NOT providing unencrypted
> data is a crime in itself, because all that becomes is a method to
> ensure that you get prosecuted for *something* irrespective of what
> can be proved.

Yeah, definitely.  One can also pretend to cooperate: "Oh, I just had
some source code from a previous job stored there.  It's been so long,
I don't remember the password anymore.  You can ask X corp for the
code."

> I have a bad feeling about this stuff.

Same here.  There are certainly people doing very evil things trying
to hide it with encryption.  On the other hand, how many more of those
evil people will you catch because you are forcing them to give up
keys?  How many people will be put at risk of government abuse or
other unfortunate data leaks due to being compelled to give up keys?

tim

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